Pond dreaming is over
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Havn't seen the muskrat in a few days but, my wife saw a mink (she didn't take a picture) I read that minks eat muskrats I hope he got it. Here is a pic of the 2 holes . pic1,2
I will post more later I'm having trouble uploading pictures.
Can anyone tell me how to put the pictures in the post rather than the links
Thanks
Phil
I will post more later I'm having trouble uploading pictures.
Can anyone tell me how to put the pictures in the post rather than the links
Thanks
Phil
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I'm guessing that if your image is smaller than a certain size it will automatically come up as a picture in the post, if it is too large it puts it as a link. I like the link because I can see a good size image rather than this smaller size that the forum wants. Again, I *think* this is how it works. Other forums it just comes up as a picture but any larger and it won't turn it into a link but tell you to resize it.
Blake
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Blake
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RegL
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Philbuilt, did you have to go through much red tape before starting your pond? Getting so around here, you can't dig a post hole if a frog lives within a mile of the neighborhood.
Regl,
No, but i did talk with a lot of folks on what to do. Most of them contractor type. They do alot of digging so I thought they would know. Anyone can dig a hole in dry dirt so I waited for a very dry summer and dug the hole. That was on labor day weekend in 05. I think the following tuesday before 10 am the local code officer called to see what I was doing. I told them I was digging a hole because I like to play on tractors and I have the land. I also asked if it was breaking any laws. She said only if it was a wetland. I also asked if I needed a permit to dig a hole. Again the answer was no.
1st she stated that she had received complants from neigbors that contruction was going on in wetland. I invited her to meet with me and showed her that there was no wet land. the bottom of my field had no standing water or streams and no cattails. The dirt was very dry. My land where the pond is now is the bottom of a natural valley. so I knew it would hold water. My land is clay. I did dowes the land and stake it so that I would know where to dig deeper and maybe hit water. I use bent welding rods so it's not like I can tell how deep but you do get a good sence if there is something below.
Phil
No, but i did talk with a lot of folks on what to do. Most of them contractor type. They do alot of digging so I thought they would know. Anyone can dig a hole in dry dirt so I waited for a very dry summer and dug the hole. That was on labor day weekend in 05. I think the following tuesday before 10 am the local code officer called to see what I was doing. I told them I was digging a hole because I like to play on tractors and I have the land. I also asked if it was breaking any laws. She said only if it was a wetland. I also asked if I needed a permit to dig a hole. Again the answer was no.
1st she stated that she had received complants from neigbors that contruction was going on in wetland. I invited her to meet with me and showed her that there was no wet land. the bottom of my field had no standing water or streams and no cattails. The dirt was very dry. My land where the pond is now is the bottom of a natural valley. so I knew it would hold water. My land is clay. I did dowes the land and stake it so that I would know where to dig deeper and maybe hit water. I use bent welding rods so it's not like I can tell how deep but you do get a good sence if there is something below.
Phil
Now for the road to the pond. Late fall of 2005 i used my 48" tiller and tilled the future road to the pond. Summer of 06 I started to dig it out about 10" deep from the surface. There is a gravel pit about a mile away so I traded with the owner on a 1 to1 basis. That was about 150yds. fortunately I have a SS and 5yd dump truck at work that made it easy SS in the pit and my Massey at home. It took about 3 days off and on. my wife and daughters helped load the baseball sized and bigger rocks in the fel to be used for riprap at the pond.
The last pic is a low spot. ( pond road 4)Now can anyone tell me what a french drain is? I've seen that posted on another thread without explanation. I hope it's something I can use to drain this down to the pond.
The last pic is a low spot. ( pond road 4)Now can anyone tell me what a french drain is? I've seen that posted on another thread without explanation. I hope it's something I can use to drain this down to the pond.
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EddieWalker
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Phil,
Why did you dig out the dirt ten inches for your road? Was that all topsoil? From what you've said about your pond, your land is clay?
For a road to work, it needs to be dry. To keep it dry, you build up the middle of the road higher then the water that will drain along side of it. In areas with allot of rain and water, you dig that trench down as deep as you can and build up the crown as high as possible.
You didn't do either on your road. Since you already have more then enough gravel, I'd consider digging out trenches on either side of the road. This is not an area for a french drain. This is where you need open drainage to handle as much water as possible and to keep the road surface as dry as possible.
You did it backwards, so it's going to be tougher to dig the drainage. Is it cheaper to bring in another ten inches of rock?
If you need to water to cross your road, put in a culvert. If you get allot of rain, put in a big culvert. I get quite a bit of rain here, but rarely need anything bigger then 12 inches.
A french drain is a way to get water from a yard without it looking like a drain. It's expensive and in time, it will fail. You can spend more money and make it last longer, but it's still gonna fail. It's just a matter of how long until the silt and sediment blocks the entry holes to the pipe, or the pipe clogs up.
Eddie
Why did you dig out the dirt ten inches for your road? Was that all topsoil? From what you've said about your pond, your land is clay?
For a road to work, it needs to be dry. To keep it dry, you build up the middle of the road higher then the water that will drain along side of it. In areas with allot of rain and water, you dig that trench down as deep as you can and build up the crown as high as possible.
You didn't do either on your road. Since you already have more then enough gravel, I'd consider digging out trenches on either side of the road. This is not an area for a french drain. This is where you need open drainage to handle as much water as possible and to keep the road surface as dry as possible.
You did it backwards, so it's going to be tougher to dig the drainage. Is it cheaper to bring in another ten inches of rock?
If you need to water to cross your road, put in a culvert. If you get allot of rain, put in a big culvert. I get quite a bit of rain here, but rarely need anything bigger then 12 inches.
A french drain is a way to get water from a yard without it looking like a drain. It's expensive and in time, it will fail. You can spend more money and make it last longer, but it's still gonna fail. It's just a matter of how long until the silt and sediment blocks the entry holes to the pipe, or the pipe clogs up.
Eddie
lopezian
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Others will no doubt describe a french drain, but it appears to me that you will need a culvert first. That water in the fourth pic obviously wants to cross the road. You'll need to do it put a ditch along the uphill side of the road (better to do one along both sides, actually). Then you need to put a culvert under the road to divert the water from the ditch you just made. The culvert doesn't have to be big - 6" or 8" is usually enough. It looks like it would want to start on the left next to that young tree and cross the road at an angle down hill.philbuilt said:
After the culvert is in you can do a french drain or a tight line down to the pond to dispose of the water.
Eddie,
I do have about 6 to 14" of top soil that is why I removed it.
I understand the trench method on each side fo the road but, I don't want that. My neighbor has horses and they have someone hay the feilds. I like to maintain as natural a feild as possible so he won't have to lift his equipment. The hillside is groomed with horzontal rolls.(I bought the land this way 20 years ago) I assume it was done that way to help prevent errosion.
lopezian
A culvert would also creat a ditch in the field making the mowing harder.
Please keep the suggestions coming something should work.
Phil
I do have about 6 to 14" of top soil that is why I removed it.
I understand the trench method on each side fo the road but, I don't want that. My neighbor has horses and they have someone hay the feilds. I like to maintain as natural a feild as possible so he won't have to lift his equipment. The hillside is groomed with horzontal rolls.(I bought the land this way 20 years ago) I assume it was done that way to help prevent errosion.
lopezian
A culvert would also creat a ditch in the field making the mowing harder.
Please keep the suggestions coming something should work.
Phil
Big day at the pond today We added 27 rainbow trout in the 6 to 8" range.
Muskrat update we believe that they left the pond during the big rains or they drowned. we haven't seen them in 2 weeks the dogs don't even look anymore.
The road has dried up must have been some frost below it no longer has standing water.
The last pic is of what we believe to be a killdeer in the Field next to the pond.
We added 27 rainbow trout in the 6 to 8" range. Muskrat update we believe that they left the pond during the big rains or they drowned. we haven't seen them in 2 weeks the dogs don't even look anymore.
The road has dried up must have been some frost below it no longer has standing water.
The last pic is of what we believe to be a killdeer in the Field next to the pond.
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EddieWalker
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Phil,
The trout will make for some fun fishing!!!
Will they survive in your area year round? Here they are put in for winter fishing by pond owners and the State Parks. Once the weather warms up here, they will die off.
Nice picture of the Killdeer. We're still looking for them to show up at our place.
Eddie
The trout will make for some fun fishing!!!
Will they survive in your area year round? Here they are put in for winter fishing by pond owners and the State Parks. Once the weather warms up here, they will die off.
Nice picture of the Killdeer. We're still looking for them to show up at our place.
Eddie
Eddie,
The guy at the hatchery said that they will do fine in my pond. I asked if I needed to keep a section cleared off to prevent winter kill. he said if the pond is spring fed they will do fine.
Now I just like to go down to the pond and hope to see them. Rainbows are bug eaters so hopefully they will surface seeings the the pond is muddy. I have gone to the pond twice since putting them in an have seen them surface both times.
The guy at the hatchery said that they will do fine in my pond. I asked if I needed to keep a section cleared off to prevent winter kill. he said if the pond is spring fed they will do fine.
Now I just like to go down to the pond and hope to see them. Rainbows are bug eaters so hopefully they will surface seeings the the pond is muddy. I have gone to the pond twice since putting them in an have seen them surface both times.
EddieWalker
Epic Contributor
Phill,
I know the feeling. When we put fish in our small pond, we were there every day, sometimes several times a day watching them. Soon after letting them go, Steph bought some fish food and that has become a daily ritual for us. A year later, we still get exited about watching the fish come to feed!!!!
Eddie
I know the feeling. When we put fish in our small pond, we were there every day, sometimes several times a day watching them. Soon after letting them go, Steph bought some fish food and that has become a daily ritual for us. A year later, we still get exited about watching the fish come to feed!!!!
Eddie
We rented a JD mini at work to dig a hole in some shale back fill for a new sign install. It took only 45 min. So I decided to take it home to remove the peninsular ( wife doesn't like it )from the pond and start moving the spoils into the woods. The rental is for 8hrs uses in 24Hrs. $200.00
The pics are of the start of the removal so I will post more tomorrow.
It work good so I rented it for a second day but it had to be back for 4:30pm. I guess they don't trust that you won't use it on the day there not open. So I have put 15 hrs on this thing in the last 28hrs.
The pics are of the start of the removal so I will post more tomorrow.
It work good so I rented it for a second day but it had to be back for 4:30pm. I guess they don't trust that you won't use it on the day there not open. So I have put 15 hrs on this thing in the last 28hrs.
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EddieWalker
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Seriously? She doesn't like the peninsula?
Oh well, at least you got to spend more time digging and moving dirt!!!!!
Eddie
Oh well, at least you got to spend more time digging and moving dirt!!!!!
Eddie
