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[Bird]

Wroughtn_harv seems to think kids should be the responsibility of HD clerks.

Oh, I think we all know that the kids should be the responsibility of their parents, but does that mean the rest of us should not also care about the kids and what becomes of them? And the HD clerks weren't the ones who made the law; they just have to abide by it.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

/pine you are correct, my post was directed at the previous post that I quoted. Wroughtn_harv seems to think kids should be the responsibility of HD clerks.

Not at all.

Ole Wroughtn one just knows how the world works.

Let's say you're a wheel at HD. You understand that ninety percent of your employees will do right. But when that one doesn't at just the wrong time HD can be held liable for a lot of dollars and bad publicity.

Your interest is to make sure that incident can't happen. If it does happen HD has to have shown they've done everything possible to insure it wouldn't.

You also have to weigh the costs of training employees and maintaining that training versus the cost of having a one time charge for programing in a failsafe method of insuring the employee does their job.

So it's not about your freedoms, you can shop where you want when you want. It's not about taking care of other people's kids. And surprise surprise, it isn't about you.

It's about business taking care of business.

 

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It's about business taking care of business.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: And there you have it in a nut shell, business comes before anything.

I'm pretty sure most of the cashiers at HD don't want children sniffing glue. I'm sure that most adults don't want a bunch of kids running around sniffing glue. I'm also 100% positive IDing my gray balding aging butt didn't do squat to stop a kid from sniffing glue. So please explain how wasting my time with a stupid law{probably not HD's} is helping anyone from substance abuse? I still stand my ground, forcing assinine laws on the innocent is a bash to our freedoms and does absolutely nothing to help anyone or anything. Folks keep saying don't buy their product go elsewhere that's your freedom. Well if it is a law{for the city} and I did need the product I'd imagine I'd be harassed no matter which store I went to.

 

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Oh, I think we all know that the kids should be the responsibility of their parents, but does that mean the rest of us should not also care about the kids and what becomes of them? And the HD clerks weren't the ones who made the law; they just have to abide by it.

I agree Bird, I was just answering the way the post was directed to my post. Like I said I have nothing against the cashier nor the place of business. What I'm against are the busy body politicians that keep writting assinine laws to look good for next election. What I'd like to see is something that would solve an issue not just keep adding more while screwing with the innocent and taking freedoms in the process.


Is everyone happy that we can be spied on at anytime? Is everyone happy that their picture can be taken 100's of times during the day? Is everyone happy that all phone calls are monitored? Is everyone happy to be paying carreer politicians to basically do nothing? Is everyone happy to know that those that decide our fate with insurance, taxes, etc... have non of those same worrys? Is everyone happy that joe politician can get fired but still receive a full paycheck? The list goes on and on but I hope this explains better why I get mad EVEN at the petty/dumb little stuff.

 

[Bird]

I'm sure many of you are too young to remember when there were no laws prohibiting the selling of glues, glue sniffing, etc. I don't know when such laws came into existence in your part of the world, but in 1967-68 when I was a young police officer, I can remember the many complaints I responded to about the kids sniffing that stuff and getting high, and there was really nothing we could do about it because it was not illegal at the time.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

I'm sure many of you are too young to remember when there were no laws prohibiting the selling of glues, glue sniffing, etc. I don't know when such laws came into existence in your part of the world, but in 1967-68 when I was a young police officer, I can remember the many complaints I responded to about the kids sniffing that stuff and getting high, and there was really nothing we could do about it because it was not illegal at the time.

All laws are about a real or perceived problem.

Back then we didn't have laws because it wasn't considered a problem, or at least much of one. We didn't know that sniffing glue would destroy the immature brain. The abusers of inhalants were few and far between so most of us didn't have someone we cared about affected by it. The stuff was just as toxic and the final outcome just as tragic, we were just too stupid to understand. The laws aren't about their ignorance as they are about ours.

 

[rekees4300]

Don't shop at Home Depot. That's freedom in action. That's voting with your feet/checkbook.

Be sure and explain to everyone why. LOL

If it's a HD "law" then I'd agree, don't shop at HD. On the other hand if it's a real law then that's entirely another matter. Another example of our emerging nanny state where every problem must be solved by some local/state/federal government decree.

 

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in 1967-68 when I was a young police officer, I can remember the many complaints I responded to about the kids sniffing that stuff and getting high, and there was really nothing we could do about it because it was not illegal at the time.

Laws against sniffing "glue" I don't think any would have an issue with. Gas belongs in an engine not up someones nose. Paint belongs on items{car, house, tractor} but not up someones nose. I don't get ID'ed when buying gasoline which from what I have seen is a much more abused substance then liquid nails. Maybe those sniffing glue etc.... are just helping to weed out idiots in society? There are laws against abusing materials but why should the innocent be harassed when they are using the product for it's intended use?

 

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I never realized that locking people up in jail for years for victimless drug offenses helped them with their substance abuse.

"And He said unto them, render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's"

Personally, I don't thin Jesus would give a rats butt about getting carded at a big box store

You're probably right besides didn't Jesus turn water into wine

And what was the population back then?

Here is a fact which I'm certain of but have no proof of. During ANY TIME of the history of our nation, we've had stupid laws/policies and inconveniences to deal with.

We all have the freedom to move away from it all, where some people in this world do not.

You are correct we can move, can I ask when a child misbehaves or acts out do we just move away from them also? It's funny how some think I should just pack up and leave, I wonder where the country would be if our founders did that very thing? Maybe I should just stick my head in the sand and not give a dang? Maybe I felt like starting this thread because I do give a crap about this land and those that live here? Like I wrote my rant about ID'ing for glue is petty, but get past just that one thing and think about all the stupid little petty things, they do add up. That's why I wrote when is enough going to be enough?

 

[Sigarms]

It's funny how some think I should just pack up and leave,

I sincerely did not direct the comment about moving towards you. My point was that we all have that right and freedom to do so. Some people don't.

Maybe I felt like starting this thread because I do give a crap about this land and those that live here?

The funny thing is that some people think that if you disagree with them about our country, that YOU'RE the one who doesn't give a crap.

I'm not one for "city living". But the fact is, when you get more people confined to a general area, chances are those people need to be "regulated" more in some aspect. Better or worse, both technology and population does have an effect on our laws.

People talk about being afraid in today's society for disciplining their children how THEY see fit. Do a web search on "Zahra Baker". I have no doubt that the local department of social services will be crucified for letting this one slip through their fingers here in North Carolina.

 

[brin]

Maybe I am the odd man out here and many or most of you may disagree with me but I believe in all regards we would be much better off if we went back to what our founders intended and that is the States should make the laws we all abide by..it should be a local thing..What people in California or New York want is way different from what Georgians want just as an example.

The Federal Government should mind its own business and do exactly what the constitution mandated and empowered it to do and nothing more or we are all going to lose our State Sovereignty and before you know it ...given this New World Order, we will be ruled by the UN...

So I say when it comes to liquid nails or gas etc. and us being carded to buy it then if that is a state law...fine with me but the Feds need to butt out of our local issues ..period...OK - go ahead and let me have it...I am a big boy !

 

[Chuck52]

The Constitution was a compromise. I think I've read that there were about as many "Founders" who wanted a stronger central government as there were who wanted more state's rights. There was this war, in the 1860's, when the debate got real heated. The basic right of the states to seceed from the union was eliminated by the outcome of that war. If you think about it one way, that pretty much made the states entirely subservient to the Federal government, which is supposed to represent the will of all the people of all the states. Sure there are vestiges of "State's Rights", but in any really significant way, they are more a convenience for government than anything else, and they are often an inconvenience for us citizens.

Many of us have lived in more than one state. I've only lived in Tennessee, Oklahoma, Puerto Rico and now Missouri. I see myself as a citizen of the United Staes who happens to live (not all that happily sometimes) in Missouri. I like the idea that most significant laws are pretty uniform from one state to another. The differences can be irritating more than anything else. The foolish way laws regulating the purchase of alcohol vary from state to state and even from county to county is one example of the residual State's Rights.

So, no, I don't think the citizens of any state should get to decide which federal laws they must obey.

Chuck

 

[Loren49]

I believe the US Supreme Court, which is constitutional, is empowered to rule on the constitutionality of our laws. Until they strike down a law, or some court along the way issues an injunction, it probably makes sense to assume it may be constitutional. The weight of one person's opinion, even if they carry a copy of the original constitution and all of its revisions (amendments) in their pocket, is quite limited.... Even if they scream very loudly and dress funny.

Loren

 

[sweettractors]

I'd like to see a verifiable mechanism to ID everyone who works in America.

That would only cover 50 % of the population? Ken Sweet

 

[tglass]

well said!

 

[keegs]

That would only cover 50 % of the population? Ken Sweet

Not sure what that means Ken.

 

[chopped]

I think he was meaning that only have of the us citizens work the others goof off ..(not work)