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[sweettractors]

O.K. Let's tackle this loss of freedoms one issue at a time, starting with minors inhaling liquid nails fumes to get high. What is your solution to prevent minors getting their hands on liquid nails?

My solution would be to have a solid 2 parent home that taught the kids right from wrong and moral values and most of all how to resist peer pressure. Being brought up in a Christian home would help also. Ken Sweet

 

[20 20]

I think the main point that 20 20 is trying to make is that little loses of freedoms like anonymously buying liquid nails soon become big loses like WWII concentration camps (my example not his). So I think we should cut 20 20 a little slack since he has served this country to protect freedoms that many of us take for granted. :2cents:

:thumbsup: thanks, they don't have to cut me slack though, I joined a volunteer military MY CHOICE. You hit the nail on the head at understanding my point

 

[sweettractors]

Why is it out of the question to get our country back to where we have Strong family values and morals. I realize families are broken up. I have had that to deal with in my family. When I said "I Do" 45 years ago, I meant it. It should be that way again. Ken Sweet

 

[MossRoad]

My solution would be to have a solid 2 parent home that taught the kids right from wrong and moral values and most of all how to resist peer pressure. Being brought up in a Christian home would help also. Ken Sweet

Because there are no christian glue sniffer, right? :laughing: Just kidding, just kidding. I strongly agree that the problems begin at home. A good, moral upbringing is very important. But the fact of the matter is there are currently millions of young (and old) people out there that are abusing inhalants. Something has to be done NOW to keep the inhalants out of the hands of the troubled youth. I don't mind showing my ID for proof of age for anything that should be kept out of the hands of minors.

 

[/pine]

Why is it out of the question to get our country back to where we have Strong family values and morals. I realize families are broken up. I have had that to deal with in my family. When I said "I Do" 45 years ago, I meant it. It should be that way again. Ken Sweet

IMO one of...if not the biggest contributing factors in the decline of social and moral issues is hollywood...i.e., mostly television...
Also, moral and social values have been reduced by far too liberal stances beginning with our juduicial system...

 

[MossRoad]

Why is it out of the question to get our country back to where we have Strong family values and morals. I realize families are broken up. I have had that to deal with in my family. When I said "I Do" 45 years ago, I meant it. It should be that way again. Ken Sweet

Half of all marriages fail. Half of all marriages succeed. Our priest told us that back in 1985. We celebrated 25 years last week. What time period would you like to go back to when strong family values and morals were the norm? We can find examples of bad morals throughout history. Our youth almost always seems better than our current age. Fact of the matter is most people are good people and tend to do the right thing. However, the population has tripled since you were a kid. That means there are three times as many bad people in the same space as when you were young, so bad morals seem more prevalent. That's why is seems so bad. If you look at it in percentages of population, however, things are not much different than when we were young.

 

[brin]

Just a side note.... I never have been able to see the logic in putting a violent criminal in prison and then letting them spend endless hours pumping iron in the gym...If I had my way there would be no weights or excercise equipment in Prisons and prisoners who excercised other than walking would be punished...What,? we want to make them stronger ? How smart is that ?

 

[/pine]

Which generation do we blame for the current state of affairs?

IMO, trying to blame a "generation" is throwing the baby out with the bath water...
as a "boomer" I (and I'm sure many others) still hold the same values of our parents...I think the real blame falls on liberalism...far too many college instructors/professors instill far too liberal values into their (highly gullible) students which is responsible for the decline of the over-all (moral and social) values of the population...

What do you think has caused the decline?

 

[/pine]

If I had my way there would be no weights or excercise equipment in Prisons and prisoners who excercised other than walking would be punished...What,? we want to make them stronger ? How smart is that ?

IMO...prison should be nothing but hard labor and bread and water...no cable TV, no video games etc...prison should be so bad that nobody would ever want to do anything that would send them back...

but you know who we have to blame for cushy life inmates have today...hint...it starts with "L"

 

[MossRoad]

What do you think has caused the decline?

Robin Williams. He made it O.K. to tell fart jokes. It was all down hill from there.

 

[Scooby074]

Im MY opinion, parents are mostly to blame for the decline
Not taking an active role in their kids life or disciplining them when they're wrong.

Growing up i was never scared of the police...i was, however scared of my parents. I knew if i meesed up bad enough, id get the strap.

single/ two working parent families also cause problems. Most single moms i know dont discipline their kids at all, and the kids show it. When people look at how great things were in the past, they forget that usually mom stayed home. She was there when you got home from school, taught you right and wrong, but if you were bad... she told dad when he got home.. we all know what happened then

blaming tv is easy. If a kid is raised right, it wont matter what they watch. Inside theyll know the difference between right and wrong.

 

[/pine]

blaming tv is easy. If a kid is raised right, it wont matter what they watch. Inside theyll know the difference between right and wrong.

blaming TV is easy because it's so obvious...it's not about knowing the difference between right and wrong...it's about what is accepted morally and socially...it (tv content) is much different than it was 30-40 years ago...before it became so liberal there was little if any illicit content portrayed on tellivision that was socially or morally accepted the way it is today...

 

[keegs]

Guys...we're not in a decline. The world has changed. We face much stiffer competition today than we did thirty years ago.

And the pie isn't static. It's growing...we just need to adapt and work together to get our piece of it.

 

[Scooby074]

Slash Pine: i see where your coming from, however the fault lies in the parents. Its the parents (and to a slightly lesser level) schools responsibility.

Parents have to raise their kids. Many parents dont want to deal with it, so they plunk little johnny down in front of the tv for hours on end. In that sense it is tv thats the problem... but it really isnt. The blame lies squarely on the parents. Its their job to teach right and wrong.. not the tv.

This isnt a "liberal" thing, its a responsibility thing. For the record, i was raised and consider myself today a conservative. Im also doing my best to instill the values in my kids, that my parents thankfully gave to me.