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[20 20]

20 20 the very owner of this website violates your first amendement rights, as we are forbidden to talk about politics and some other topics too. Should we expect a tirade about that? If the biggest thing you have to complain about is showing ID for glue, your life is pretty **** good. Get over it.

Nice try, I have said it isn't just about the glue more of a general rant. As far as this site goes it is my choice to be here I have not been forced and it is the sites right to have their set of rules, which I respect. With that said what if the governemnt stepped in and and told the owners of the site there will be NO political post?????? THIS IS MY POINT !!!!! Stick your head in the sand, ignore what is going on, but don't cry the blues when it's to late

 

[20 20]

Not really that big of deal in the grand scheme of things if it stops substance abuse.

Do you really think it will STOP substance abuse?

 

[20 20]

Folks I know my little rant may seem petty, it was a few other things that built up that lead me to start the thread. Most people just go through life and don't really care as long as they have a big screen and text message. One of the points I'm trying to make is that we can't just keep ignoring the small stuff because sooner or later small stuff turns into big stuff.

For those of you that think I'm un-American and want to buy me air fair, fine, sorry if I offended you, but I am glad you have the right to speak your piece. I served in the army because that is the way I was raised {and believe in}. I come from a family with many veterans WW1 korea vietnam etc... I believe that all eligible young men should serve atleast some time to protect their freedoms. I also believe it should be their freedom to do so, I would not force them. Freedom is not free!!!!

 

[Scooby074]

Do you really think it will STOP substance abuse?

Stop ... no. Slow down or pervent minors.. then maybe? Just like showing ID doesnt stop underage drinking, where there is a will there is a way, but it definitely makes a person work a little harder. Sometimes that extra work is what prevents a teen from getting drunk on a friday nite vs. just hanging around.

 

[brin]

Oh Geeez, I will just say that I pretty much agree with 20 20....It is dangerous to take things for ganted , got to look around and see what is going on ...little by little big things happen and the change may shock us.

 

[pelletfarmer]

"20 20 the very owner of this website violates your first amendement rights..."

That's false. The first amendment, like every other word in the Constitution, prescribes what Congress and every other branch of the federal government, may or may not do. Not only does it not tell individuals or businesses what to do, it (supposedly) protects them to do as they wish. After all, that is the reason "men institute governments," at least semi-rational men.

20-20, you got it right. Your only error is that "before it's too late" was yesterday, or so it seems.

 

[Pushing_Tin]

Nice try, I have said it isn't just about the glue more of a general rant. As far as this site goes it is my choice to be here I have not been forced and it is the sites right to have their set of rules, which I respect. With that said what if the governemnt stepped in and and told the owners of the site there will be NO political post?????? THIS IS MY POINT !!!!! Stick your head in the sand, ignore what is going on, but don't cry the blues when it's to late

Uh, you're the one that claimed your "rights" were violated in some way. Just as you have a choice to come here, you also have a choice to not purchase anything from that store.

"20 20 the very owner of this website violates your first amendement rights..."

That's false. The first amendment, like every other word in the Constitution, prescribes what Congress and every other branch of the federal government, may or may not do. Not only does it not tell individuals or businesses what to do, it (supposedly) protects them to do as they wish. After all, that is the reason "men institute governments," at least semi-rational men.

*sigh* I know that, I was using hyperbole to illustrate how absurd his claim was of having his rights violated.

I do wonder how many farmers here are one the goverment dole/farm subsidies...? Because then of course it's okay for big brother to be involved in your life right?

 

[Jstpssng]

Folks I know my little rant may seem petty, it was a few other things that built up that lead to me start the thread. Most people just go through life and don't really care as long as they have a big screen and text message. One of the points I'm trying to make is that we can't just keep ignoring the small stuff because sooner or later small stuff turns into big stuff.

For those of you that think I'm un-American and want to buy me air fair, fine, sorry if I offended you, but I am glad you have the right to speak your piece. I served in the army because that is the way I was raised {and believe in}. I come from a family with many veterans WW1 korea vietnam etc... I believe that all eligible young men should serve atleast some time to protect their freedoms. I also believe it should be their freedom to do so, I would not force them. Freedom is not free!!!!

I'm not from a military background. I came of age in the post Vietnam era. ( HS grad 1977) Yet the same reasons which kept me out of the service then, are the reasons I regret that decision now.
Every war leaves scars, but the Vietnam wound has never completely healed. I believe that is why we can't do what needs to be done in our current conflicts.
If I'm not mistaken, the rights you chose to defend were temporarily surrendered when you enlisted (?)
That's the irony that most of us will never comprehend. I respect & thank you for your service.

 

[MossRoad]

What's next? Today I get ID'd at home depot for.......... liquid nail caulk, WOW. We just keep letting the freedoms fly off into the wind so we can have more laws, rules, and regulations forced upon us, WHEN WILL IT STOP ? When is enough going to be enough, when they tell us who to marry, when to go to the head, when lights are out etc.... It's time for folks to start voting for freedoms{what is right and wrong} not for $$$$$$ and bureaucratic red tape BS.. Okay I'm done ranting now just 1 vet mad as heck as to where things are headed.

O.K. Let's tackle this loss of freedoms one issue at a time, starting with minors inhaling liquid nails fumes to get high. What is your solution to prevent minors getting their hands on liquid nails?

 

[buck12]

The Home Depot I usually go to only has self check out. I guess next time I will check my own id. I often forget my age so maybe this will help me remember.

 

[rekees4300]

I think the main point that 20 20 is trying to make is that little loses of freedoms like anonymously buying liquid nails soon become big loses like WWII concentration camps (my example not his). So I think we should cut 20 20 a little slack since he has served this country to protect freedoms that many of us take for granted. :2cents:

 

[keegs]

The notion that requiring the showing of ID to buy liquid nails is the first step in our nation's journey to Nazism or that sniffing glue is a good way to reduce the pool of society's undesirables is to me just absurd. I have to wonder Gents....what kind of OTC indiscretions were some of you involved in during your youth?

My understanding is that sniffing glue can and will cause permanent neurological damage.

 

[keegs]

Thanks for YOUR service......Most forget the sacrifices that the "MATES" make.........

As an old, retired, and concerned Vet that sees the country spiraling downward to someplace I really do not want to be I cannot pass up replying to the above...........We travel a lot for pleasure and work and as such stay a lot at "Family Camps" on various bases/forts...........I wish the country was run as a military post..................NEVER do I feel as safe and secure in being an American or physically protected as I do when at 2 am, I wonder who is driving by and it is a security person..........When was the last time you read about home invasions, muggings, burglary, or a car jacking on a military post?????......

God bless America.........Dennis

Adee-aye Denis and thanks for those kind sentiments.

I'm happy you're enjoying your retirement and have the health and resources to get around and see this great country of ours.

Please remember though that living on a military base isn't Shangri-la. Violence, particularly domestic violence is a serious problem on every base every day.

 

[riptides]

This whole thread and others like it always provoke deep thought on my part, and I am sure the readers too.

Keywords to reflect on always seem to be "freedom" and "rights". The posts always tend to lean in a direction of "rights" being taken away in the bigger picture of things.

Just remember, we always have the freedom to walk out the service organization or not provide identification if we so choose.

I am fascinated by the "convenience of our freedoms". Think I'll start my thesis for my doctorate on this very subject.