Please Help

tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

I have a branson 2400 with back hoe. The tractor has 3 hydraulic hoses that hook to the back hoe. I traced one out and it goes to the pb port on the fel valve. The other two I assume go to the tank. I purchased a 3 pt log splitter from tsc and I have it plumbed but when i lift the rear 3 point arms up the ram moves on the log splitter. I called the log splitter company and they said i have to have a feed from my main line and i cannot come off the pb port on the fel valve but my backhoe works fine off this? Anybody have any ideas? The tractor has a open valve system.

moored4 · Oct 11, 2011

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tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

When I raise my 3 point arms with the splitter attached the ram starts to move at the same time the arms go up. Then when the arms stop moving the the ram keeps moving?

J_J · Oct 11, 2011

Do you have a log splitter valve on the log splitter?

The hose from the FEL PB, with a QD on it , call it BH1, should feed the IN port of the log splitter valve. the hose from the 3pt to the rear QD, call it BH2. A hose from BH2 QD should go to the OUT port on the log splitter valve. That completes the hyd circuit. The third hose from the BH is the OUT hose on the BH valve to tank, and is only used when using the BH. .

If nothing is being used on the rear, then a short jumper hose should connect the two BH1, BH2 rear QD's together. .

You should have about 7.7 GPM's.

tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

I will have to look and see if I hooked it up to the hose going to the tank Vs the hose you call bh2. When my backhoe is off the two hoses i connected to the log splitter are connected together and the third just has a dust cover.
I bought the splitter from tractor supply http://www.tractorsupply.com/outdoo...tyline-reg-3-point-hitch-log-splitter-2153304

tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

Also the log splitter works great but its just that weird problem I am having and worried something might not be connected right.

J_J · Oct 11, 2011

No matter how you hook up the log splitter, the fluid should just flow through the valve until you push a lever, or put it into detent.

With the log splitter attached, when you raise the 3t, you are pressurizing the complete hyd circuit from the pump to the 3pt. . The only way for the log splitter cyl to extend is for the back pressure to flow past the valve spools.

If you installed a 3000 hyd pressure gage, you could check out the hyd system.

Flow path = pump, PB out, log splitter in, log splitter out to 3pt in, then tank.

The OUT hose stays with the BH, and is only used when using the BH. It sends all the cyl fluid to tank.

tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

Do you now where the best price gauges are?

J_J · Oct 11, 2011

At least 3000 psi gage, preferable liquid filled.

Surplus Center

Try also Northern Tools.

First gage plugs into a matching QD, and the other plugs in wherever.

tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

I spoke again with my tractor dealer and told him the problem and he told me that the pyb from the loader valve feeds the 3 point arms as well and I can't lift the arms with the splitter attached or I will mess my pump up. Any body else have to do this?

J_J · Oct 11, 2011

tucke022,

Have you verified any of the stuff I have said.

Is this your hyd flow path with the log splitter installed?

Flow path = pump, PB out, log splitter in, log splitter out to 3pt in, then tank.

The only problem I can see with this is the valve OUT port back pressure, and a lot of people have done it this way. . There is a remedy, and that is a log splitter valve with PB, which will give you full protection, for the hyd flow.

There are other options, but I don't want to give you all of them, and possibly confuse you.

If it is under warranty, do as he says for the warranty provision.

The pump will pump up to its rated pressure, but the FEL relief valve is in the hyd circuit just for that protection. The log splitter valve also has a relief valve.

Would you like me to speak to the dealer and the log splitter Co. on your behalf.

Send me a PM if you like.

tucke022 · Oct 11, 2011

On my loader valve I have a p and a T. My dealer said the T was what goes all the way back and that's what powers the splitter. The p goes straight off a block from the hydro pump. My return on the back of my tractor goes to the loader gave again. I am now even more confused. Did the dealer just hook the hydro remotes different then most? I will try and post pics tomorrow

J_J · Oct 11, 2011

The only reason they would use the T port from the FEL, , is that there is no PB on the valve. If there is a PB port on the valve one should use it. This would be your supply for the hyd flow.

tucke022 · Oct 12, 2011

Theres no pb on the fel valve. My manual does show a block off my hydro for aux hydraulic. I wonder if I can another feeder line.

J_J · Oct 12, 2011

If you don't have a PB port, then you risk the FEL valve, because the valves out port is supposed to go to tank.

In the situation when using a 3pt, they go ahead and route the FEL OUT to either a block in the back, or directly to the 3pt. Same thing with a BH or log splitter valve, the OUT ports are supposed to go to tank. This is being done and has been done in the past.

The ideal situation, is for all the valves to have a PB port.

If you put one of these valves after the FEL, you can switch the fluid to the end product, be it BH, log splitter, or 3pt.

This valve will switch the hyd path to the 3pt or log splitter or BH.

Surplus Center - 3/8" NPT 20 GPM PRINCE SELECTOR VALVE

The complete hyd system should be in series, and has to push fluid through all valves in neutral. The last valve will pressurize each valve upstream.

The first valve that operates a lever will have priority over everything downstream..

tucke022 · Oct 13, 2011

THanks JJ for all your advice and as much as I liked the log splitter on my truck after reevaluating my idea I decided to swap it out for a gas powered splitter for $200 more. This way I can use my tractor for other things and I dont put more hours on it just running. I guess its just one more engine to maintain!