Please explain the BH mounting to an idiot!

[Sigarms]

Ok, ZTR is bought, now going to look for a Tractor.

Went to looking for a tractor with a bushhog only, then to one with an FEL, now seriously considering getting a backhoe with it (with FEL and bushhog).

Please explain to this idiot how do you use the backhoe when afterwards you want to bushhog?

What is a "subframe"?? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Looking at bushhoggin 25 acres or so, also would like to do some tree removal and "digging" for landscaping.

Do you just "remove" the backhoe and then add the bushhog?

Any "type" more user friendly?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thks /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

P.S apologies if this is in the wrong forum /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[Jstpssng]

Well, I'll try to answer a few of these, until somebody more knowledgeable arrives and jumps in.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Please explain to this idiot how do you use the backhoe when afterwards you want to bushhog? )</font>

That's the beauty of the 3PH (3 point hitch) attatchment system; you simply take off the backhoe and put on the bushhog.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What is a "subframe"?? )</font> A structure which distributes the stresses of heavy backhoe use throughout the tractor , instead of placing it all on the 3PH system.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( Looking at bushhoggin 25 acres or so, also would like to do some tree removal and "digging" for landscaping.

Do you just "remove" the backhoe and then add the bushhog?
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Yes.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( P.S apologies if this is in the wrong forum )</font>

You're a veteran, compared to me; so you must have noticed guys here are much more concerned with helping, than with standing on protocol.

 

[Ryno1]

Actually on some subframe mounted backhoes you 1st take the backhoe, put the lower 3ph arms one (real easy on NH), then mount your brushhog. I suppose the backhoes that mount on the 3pt hitch are easier but to me that look like damage to the tractor waiting to happen.

I have the New Holland TC30, 5' brushhog, and Brushog 650 backhoe with subframe mount and pto pump. To switch from backhoe to brushhog or vice versa is about a 45 minute job for me. I'm sure others are faster. Not a really hard job but I'm still slow and learning the tricks.

 

[depratt_equip]

On some brands there is no need to remove the 3pt for a subframe backhoe. I know Kioti you do not need to remove any part of the 3pt which makes it even easier to remove and install. I would not have a 3 pt. hoe at all, they are hard to remove and install. I had a guy come in the other day saying how hard it was to remove and install his BH which was a 3 pt. We went outside and in less than 10 minutes I had the subframe BH off a 30HP Kioti and was ready to hook up an implement. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[RodgerF]

Here's a pic of a subframe backhoe on a TC 30. Not very hard to remove/install. The lower hitch arms have to come off but that's only a 2 min. operation.

When I was looking at backhoes everyone to said to stay away from the 3ph version. After seeing how it can bounce the tractor around I'm glad I did.

Rodger

 

[JerryG]

Is that backhoe pinned up where it belongs? It looks like it is to low.

 

[Jstpssng]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( We went outside and in less than 10 minutes I had the subframe BH off a 30HP Kioti and was ready to hook up an implement. )</font>

It doesn't take me any longer than that to hook up my 3 PH mount, now that I've learned to make sure I take it off on level ground.

As you can probably tell I've never dealt with a subframe; my unit is a lightweight unit made by a schoolteacher in his garage. It doesn't even have hydraulic downriggers. However everything I've read indicates if you are doing any kind of heavy work it's much better for the tractor to use a subframe.

 

[Sigarms]

Thks for the input.

Actually looking at the picture, I thought it looked rather low myself.

Does the subframe lower you ground clearance signifficantly?(sp?) (from the picture provided it look like it does).

Subframe more money? (I'd assume yes).

Does the backhoe when installed provide a "different ride" on the tractor? I'd think you would have to be "more cautious" (and yes, you should always drive alert) with the backhoe on.

If the backhoe is off the tractor, how "high" does it sit? (wondering where I can store it when its off).

Again, thks for the info.

 

[Tim_in_IA]

Sigarms you would definitedly want the subframe. The way the subframe will work will depend on your tractor brand as well as the backhoe brand. I have a bradco hoe which uses a 4 link subframe connector that you lower the backhoe onto with it's own hydraulic power. I do have to remove the 3 point arms which does take around 15 minutes. That is a nice feature of the kioti if you don't have to take the 3pt arms off at all. I would be very cautios getting a setup with such a low ground clearance though as in the earlier picture. My subframe is level with the framework for the front end loader.

Here is a picture of the side profile with the backhoe installed:

 

[Tim_in_IA]

and here is a rear view of one side of the 4 point link. I can tell you that this is an extremely solid configuration. The backhoe is really part of the tractor when installed this way.

 

[grandad]

Ground clearance: Varies with the model of backhoe and tractor. The better-engineered subframe designs do not change ground clearance to any meaningful degree.

Cost: The non-OEM BH manufacturers seem to offer different configurations of the same basic backhoe unit. Such as 3pt or subframe, operating from tractor hydraulics or self-contained, 9ft or 11ft, etc. The subframe type will cost more than the 3pt, though, and it will be more suitable for heavier applications.

Different ride: Definitely. My backhoe weighs about 2,500 lbs, so it definitely puts a load on the tail of the tractor when mounted. That can be a good thing - more traction - and a bad thing - it's tail heavy and higher center of gravity. Definitely don't want to be racing around at top speed - wouldn't do that anyways.

Storage: My 9ft backhoe mounted on the tractor just clears a 10ft door into my barn. It juts up at least a foot higher than the ROPS. That's the biggest issue. With lower clearance, you have to lower it out of transport position so you can get underneath. Once you are inside, it will detach and store on the floor with the boom partially extended so it is only maybe 7ft high, but when you drop the stabilizer pads, it does take up quite a bit of floor space. Attaching/removing is definitely easier if you have level concrete floor vs. uneven dirt or gravel.

 

[RodgerF]

Jerry,

The backhoe is pinned properly, for some reason it does look really low in that picture. It's not nearly that bad standing next to it. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

With the hoe on I loose about 4" of clearance underneath. No real problems going anywhere with it, just something to keep in mind.

 

[DannyD]

I have the Kubota BX 23, with hoe and FEL, MMM etc. I can take the bh off and have the 3 point stuff back on in about 20 minutes, with no real trouble. BH is easier for me to put on and take off than the MMM.

It is sub frame mount, and I dont lose any clearance. Would not want a 3 point after using this.

 

[tawilson]

That TC30 mount looks just like my 2120, and I was surprised at how much clearance I lost. I even saved the shorter bolts that had to be replaced on the loader mount, so I can take the brackets off when I'm doing logging in the winter. Those brackets sticking down 8" or so look like a disaster waiting to happen. Seems to me it could have been engineered a little better. However, I have pounded the snot out of this tractor/bh for over a month now with no ill effects, so I'm happy.

 

[JerryG]

I knew that it looked really low compared to my Massey. So much lower that I thought that maybe it wasn't attached correctly. Maybe it was just the way the picture was taken.

 

[JerryG]

Would it still work if the brackets were shorter or is there parts that would come in contact with the sub-frame?