Picking up equipment by a stranger

KiotiJohn · Apr 29, 2006

( I doubt there a lot of scammers that regularly read the forum with the thought that they might be able to scam someone on a piece of equipment. )
That sounds about what I thought happened also, but I wanted to make it clear that the poster didn't contact this person as most of the posts said they had done.

There had to be an assumption as it was not clear just how the offer came about on a "board." Was it this board, or another? etc.

There is a big difference between contacting someone to transport and item for you and someone contacting you because they saw you were going to have to go get it. More caution would be warranted.

I agree though, scammers are not "likely" to be operating this way, but one just never knows.

John

sandman2234 · Apr 29, 2006

There is more to this story, and as Wayne mentioned, he knows more about it than most.
The rest of the story will be told in a couple of weeks, when the buyer and the transporter figure out if they have been scammed.
Thanks for your input, as I felt your replies might help, which they probably have.
Wish us all luck, that are involved with this, and keep an eye out for the rest of the story.
Oh, by the way, the auction for the west bound freight was derailed, as someone else hit the buy it now button. Just means that a trailer won't be in the picture.
Thanks guys,
David from jax

KiotiJohn · Apr 29, 2006

( Oh, by the way, the auction for the west bound freight was derailed, as someone else hit the buy it now button. Just means that a trailer won't be in the picture. )
I think I'm lost.
John

Reg · Apr 29, 2006

I have a couple of horse trailers (large and LARGER).
I frequently take horses a thousand or more miles one way, and run an empty trailer in the other direction.
I advertise the empty space on a couple of Horsey bulletin boards and often get a back-load.

It hadn't occured to me that I could pack 5 or 6 thousand pounds of "non walk-on" freight in there.
Hmmm, maybe I'll post empty trailer space HERE in the future.

To THIS subject; Yes, it might be someone in a situation similar to my own.
I don't know how these freight free lancers find e-bay winners, probably not difficult.... maybe they hook up with the sellers and say, "Hey, let me know which way that is going when it sells".

sandman2234 · Apr 30, 2006

Don't worry John, it will all come out in a couple of weeks. That part of the message you qouted was actually a message to another board member. He should understand if he reads this post.
David from jax

KiotiJohn · Apr 30, 2006

( That part of the message you qouted was actually a message to another board member. He should understand if he reads this post. )
I rather thought so, but I also thought maybe I missed that part in another post!
John

JoeinTX · Apr 30, 2006

He was supposed to be here at 1PM on the pick-up day. He showed at 3:30 AM, with a death trap of a trailer, drastically over-loaded, and he had been drinking. (and NOT milk either) I loaded the item, and sent him on his way. In retrospect, I wish I'd called the cops.

Good Gawd......a.m.??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I don't know how you did it.

Stimw · Apr 30, 2006

Just a side note, if you have a phone number you can go to www.anywho.com or www.bellsouth.com and do a reverse look up and see if the info matches.

RobJ · May 1, 2006

YEah, get the guys number and call him. Talking for a few minutes about various topics can give you an idea of who you are dealing with. Emails and internet can you can easily get the wrong impression, good and bad.

sandman2234 · May 1, 2006

Thanks for the phone number sites. I used anyonewho to find one of the other parties in this three way deal. I don't expect to have any problems out of him. He seems to be a very nice person. Maybe the whole deal will come out like it is supposed to, and everyone will be happy.
More to come,
David from jax

sandman2234 · May 29, 2006

This post was generated by me to help ease the mind of Wayne Freeman who purchased a Duragrader and never received it. I, as a new member told him that I had just come thru Mississippi, and would probably return. When I got ready to go back thru, I contacted Wayne and started this post.
I contacted the local sherrifs office and found that I could be arrested for tresspassing even though the place was suppposed to be a business. Both Wayne and I were ignored by the seller almost right up to my departure. I received a phone call and was told to come ahead and pick it up, which I did. I asked what time they opened Monday, and he told me they would load it 24/7, to just come on. I arrived around midnight on Sunday night and the duragrader was sitting on the forks of the forklift ready to be loaded into my truck. I hauled it to La, Ark, Ok, back thru Ms, to Birmingham, Al and then home. I contacted Wayne and we both departed heading towards the middle of Ga, where we both dropped off at an exit and unloaded/loaded it .
Wayne graciously contributed towards my fuel costs and I offered some opinions and advise towards the duragrader.
The seller didn't seem as bad as most of us had anticipated, in my opinion, just a guy trying to get back out of a hole caused by the hurricane Katrina.
To have lost what they did, and get back in business would be a feat in itself. Ignoring a paid in full customer was a very big mistake, one that will probaby cost them many customers in the future.
I wish them luck, and appreciate your responses to my posts.
Thanks, David from jax

Here is the followup from Wayne Freeman, done while I was working to get back online from a computer that wouldn't boot.
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Sandman2234

MikePA: Please review your message before posting it. It's simple not to create a long link that widens the entire thread. Just insert a descriptive word or two between the {url=http://whatever}Enter words here{/url} instead of the entire URL. Replace parentheses {} with square brackets in previous example. Alternatively, if you use the Instant Markup language URL link, the first prompt is for the URL. The second prompt is for a description. Do not simply paste in the URL again. Type a short description of the link. Note: Following standard Internet protocols, bolding is for emphasis and should not be confused with all capital letters, which represents shouting. Also, this instruction is done in public so that others may learn as well.

sandman2234 · May 29, 2006

This post was generated by me to help ease the mind of Wayne Freeman who purchased a Duragrader and never received it. I, as a new member told him that I had just come thru Mississippi, and would probably return. When I got ready to go back thru, I contacted Wayne and started this post.
I contacted the local sherrifs office and found that I could be arrested for tresspassing even though the place was suppposed to be a business. Both Wayne and I were ignored by the seller almost right up to my departure. I received a phone call and was told to come ahead and pick it up, which I did. I asked what time they opened Monday, and he told me they would load it 24/7, to just come on. I arrived around midnight on Sunday night and the duragrader was sitting on the forks of the forklift ready to be loaded into my truck. I hauled it to La, Ark, Ok, back thru Ms, to Birmingham, Al and then home. I contacted Wayne and we both departed heading towards the middle of Ga, where we both dropped off at an exit and unloaded/loaded it .
Wayne graciously contributed towards my fuel costs and I offered some opinions and advise towards the duragrader.
The seller didn't seem as bad as most of us had anticipated, in my opinion, just a guy trying to get back out of a hole caused by the hurricane Katrina.
To have lost what they did, and get back in business would be a feat in itself. Ignoring a paid in full customer was a very big mistake, one that will probaby cost them many customers in the future.
I wish them luck, and appreciate your responses to my posts.
Thanks, David from jax

Here is the followup from Wayne Freeman, done while I was working to get back online from a computer that wouldn't boot.
Shortened Long URL

Sandman2234

MikePA: Please review your message before posting it. It's simple not to create a long link that widens the entire thread. Just insert a descriptive word or two between the {url=http://whatever}Enter words here{/url} instead of the entire URL. Replace parentheses {} with square brackets in previous example. Alternatively, if you use the Instant Markup language URL link, the first prompt is for the URL. The second prompt is for a description. Do not simply paste in the URL again. Type a short description of the link. Note: Following standard Internet protocols, bolding is for emphasis and should not be confused with all capital letters, which represents shouting. Also, this instruction is done in public so that others may learn as well.

Farmwithjunk · May 29, 2006

Good on you for doing what you did.

Good on all of you for handling a bad situation like gentlemen, which in my opinion, has a lot to do with why things worked out as good as they did.

I'm especially impressed with the compassion you both are showing for someone who would probably rather have had shipped right on time, as opposed to the twist life threw at him. (The dealer)

Anyone can make a mistake. It takes a good man to FIX that mistake.

Farmwithjunk · May 29, 2006

Good on you for doing what you did.

Good on all of you for handling a bad situation like gentlemen, which in my opinion, has a lot to do with why things worked out as good as they did.

I'm especially impressed with the compassion you both are showing for someone who would probably rather have had shipped right on time, as opposed to the twist life threw at him. (The dealer)

Anyone can make a mistake. It takes a good man to FIX that mistake.

grafpatrick · May 29, 2006

Someone mentioned hauling a tractor in a horse trailer. I guess it all depends on the specific trailer, but does the floor need reinforcing to handle a 2500 lb tractor and loader?
John Churchill

grafpatrick · May 29, 2006

Someone mentioned hauling a tractor in a horse trailer. I guess it all depends on the specific trailer, but does the floor need reinforcing to handle a 2500 lb tractor and loader?
John Churchill

sandman2234 · May 30, 2006

I think you will get more opinions of hauling a tractor in a horse trailer if you start a new post with that. However, I will give it a shot.
A large bull can typically go to at least that weight, and that footprint is located on a slightly smaller base (footprint size), and can often be accompanied by other animals in the same trailer. Dual axles usually are a sign that the trailer is rated for at least that much weight, and should hold it. Actual condition of the flooring and crossmembers from possible years of being hosed down with acid will have weakened the trailer, so without a visual inspection, it really is hard to tell.
Are you sure about the weight of the tractor? How about the implements with it?
David from jax

sandman2234 · May 30, 2006

I think you will get more opinions of hauling a tractor in a horse trailer if you start a new post with that. However, I will give it a shot.
A large bull can typically go to at least that weight, and that footprint is located on a slightly smaller base (footprint size), and can often be accompanied by other animals in the same trailer. Dual axles usually are a sign that the trailer is rated for at least that much weight, and should hold it. Actual condition of the flooring and crossmembers from possible years of being hosed down with acid will have weakened the trailer, so without a visual inspection, it really is hard to tell.
Are you sure about the weight of the tractor? How about the implements with it?
David from jax

Reg · May 31, 2006

( Someone mentioned hauling a tractor in a horse trailer. I guess it all depends on the specific trailer, but does the floor need reinforcing to handle a 2500 lb tractor and loader?
John Churchill )

I mentioned that I sometimes have horse trailer space available.
2500 should be no problem in either of my trailers, even the "small" one could take a couple of 2,000 animals and not be overloaded.
For my OWN use it would get a bit tricky, my tractor is about 4,000 lbs and the loader adds 1300 and if I ever fill the tires...
I think the floor would be just fine, but I havn't (YET) figured how I'd get it up the ramp and not have the ramp hinges suffer.

If I ever try to carry that tractor in a horse trailer I will almost certainly put down a couple of long 2x12 boards to spread the load of the rear wheels over several floor joists.

Just BTW, Friesians can go to 1800 lb or more, Clydesdales between 1800 and 2350 according to ther position in the team, Percherons similar, Belgians ? I don't know.
Anyway, 'ossies can be HEAVY and about 60% of their weight is carried on their forelegs, i.e. on ONE floor joist and if they're standing two across thats 60% of the weight of two horses on one floor joist - well, maybe between two floor joists. Point is, horse trailer floors have to be strong anyway.

Reg · May 31, 2006

( Someone mentioned hauling a tractor in a horse trailer. I guess it all depends on the specific trailer, but does the floor need reinforcing to handle a 2500 lb tractor and loader?
John Churchill )

I mentioned that I sometimes have horse trailer space available.
2500 should be no problem in either of my trailers, even the "small" one could take a couple of 2,000 animals and not be overloaded.
For my OWN use it would get a bit tricky, my tractor is about 4,000 lbs and the loader adds 1300 and if I ever fill the tires...
I think the floor would be just fine, but I havn't (YET) figured how I'd get it up the ramp and not have the ramp hinges suffer.

If I ever try to carry that tractor in a horse trailer I will almost certainly put down a couple of long 2x12 boards to spread the load of the rear wheels over several floor joists.

Just BTW, Friesians can go to 1800 lb or more, Clydesdales between 1800 and 2350 according to ther position in the team, Percherons similar, Belgians ? I don't know.
Anyway, 'ossies can be HEAVY and about 60% of their weight is carried on their forelegs, i.e. on ONE floor joist and if they're standing two across thats 60% of the weight of two horses on one floor joist - well, maybe between two floor joists. Point is, horse trailer floors have to be strong anyway.