Our Dependencies

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>Yes, I'm pro union to the max. The biggest reason it doesn't work all the time is not the workers. It's the management. And yes, I'm a small business man alive and well. </font color=blue>

W_harv...maybe you can clear something up for me...workers and management...

Which it the gear drive and which is the HST? /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

My experience is that there are good and bad on both sides of the coin. I've seen unions where the workers work and take pride in what they do. And I've seen unions where the workers are so protected that they are not expected to work by the union itself!

Management can be bad or good as well.

Even in the case of a person that runs his own small business, actually being both management and woker combined...there are the good, the bad and the indifferent...

Unions are important because the keep things in balance...Management is important too...

Management and worker...me and the wife...can you guess which is which??? /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bill in Pgh, PA

 

[Chuck52]

<font color=green>Some PHD's really are not too smart

OUCH, that hurts !!! Have you been talking to my wife? </w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif></font color=green>

Yo. David. Me be PhD too, dad gum it! I'm even one of those academic-type PhD's who make such good targets, so I'll cover for you.

Chuck

 

[Bird]

Whew, Chuck, he makes me glad I'm just a BS./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif One of my college professors once told the class, "Everyone knows what BS means, MS is just More of the Same, and Phd is Piled Higher and Deeper."/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif Of course, he was a very highly regarded Phd himself./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif Quite possibly one of the few people who could make the study of the English language fun and even entertaining.

 

[Chuck52]

Bird,

As I said up there somewhere....I think in this really long thread...some of the guys, including you, should write down your life stories for the kids, if not for publication. Since I have two grandkids now, I've thought about doing some of that myself. However, thinking back about getting my PhD, it does seem to me that I mainly just outlasted the faculty and they gave it to me to get rid of me./w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif Like with most every other kind of work, I learned what I do for a living after I was "educated".

Chuck

 

[Bird]

Now many of us have NOT thought about writing a book?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Of course, most of us will never get around to it./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

<font color=blue>just outlasted the faculty</font color=blue>

I'll bet I outlasted the faculty in more colleges than you did./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif When you work a full time job, most of the time a second job, and the full time job is rotating shifts for many years, it can be interesting just trying to work out a schedule to get a "formal" education at the same time. And for several years, I had no intention of trying to get a college degree; I just took classes that I thought offered something I wanted to learn about, and I wasn't much concerned about the grades. Then there came a time when I realized I had racked up a lot of semester hours, so I checked to see what classes I would need to complete a degree and took those. So I was 35 years old when I got my BS degree with 154 semester hours and a 3.45 grade point average./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif And of course, I later took a few more classes, so now I've got 160+ undergraduate hours (I lost count) and 6 graduate hours. And all those classes were from North Texas State College (University, now), El Centro College (Dallas County Junior College), Southern Methodist University, Sam Houston State University, Northwestern University, the University of Virginia, and the BS degree from Abilene Christian College (University, now)./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif They each had something to offer that I wanted to learn at a time and place that I could work into my schedule.

And as you say, much of what I learned about the work I've done was outside college.

 

[putty]

Well hello again it's me Putty, I guess the only reason that I am still posting on this thread is that I feel I have been unfairly beaten, bashed and belittled, but hey I did say that I could take it right./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I guess you guys deserve a little background on me seeing how I did'nt fill out the info yet. I am a UPS driver in a resort community which is also a college town, my wife is a RN and works in oncology at the local hospital, I did not finish college so she could ,and my job oportunity opened first, I am not anti-school. Cowboydoc , I took your advice and reread my post and found where I went wrong, I should have said" some" professionals, but I feel you were too hard on me because you were speeking in terms of absolutes also (NON-EDUCATED , and UNIONS),all unions are not the same, as in people, I could tell you many horror stories of what my wife went through with doctors when she was the manager of a local urgent care center, but I did'nt because I did'nt want to belittle or bash you- that did'nt stop other people from giving the lowest about unions with total disregard to most of the hard-working, very deticated union workers. To whoever said that I have no contact with CEO's you are very wrong ,on any given workday I will go to at least two of them and over the past thirteen years I have gotten to know them quite well, sometimes more than their own co-workers, I am always bringing them goodies for their cars , or helicoptors, or whatever that they are excited to show me( I think I am a just a person that they can be real with- not a threat - and not interested in anything from them),I try to keep it light and sometimes get into a conversation about life which I am always interested in, along with many infleutial other people who I deal with in their home environment, also in the same day I will go to the houses of people who are lazy ,( maybe living in a camper with a cardboard addition) no joke, I have many rules ,but no hierarchy in my line of work nor do I acknowledge any to anyone looking for it. Maybe that is my problem , I treat everyone the same and that is a problem with some? To whoever talked about a doctor having peoples life in their hands, that is true along with many , many union jobs and "non-educated" jobs; contruction , miners, tree trimmers, many who operate very powerful equipment who are required to work very fast and make many decisions quickly, one small slip and they are single-handedly and directly responsible for someones death. Wingnut , I do remember yours ,- who could forget- I am very sorry that your brother decided to sink so low as to train to be a truck driver, you obviously can't show your head the same in your community now that you have a truck driver in the family, (sigh)cheer up though, and tell your brother to pay attention because he could be hauling fuel or hazardous waste and lose concentration( those guys tend to work sixteen hour days with three hours of sleep and back on the road for another sixteen hour day) and be the direct result of fifty people dying in an instant.

 

[Anonymous Poster]

WingNut: Please. Ayn Rand would roll over in her grave being referred to as a "clairvoyant". This thread is interesting, but, mostly looks at concretes (specifics) rather than the unlying causes. People are not equal in intelligence, hard work, integrity, (read the many posts in this thread) etc. Yet they are presumed equal by the nature of your political system-ie. one man one vote. It is perfectly normal the inferiors to envy their betters and to tie them down. Democracy (mob rule) allows it to happen. The moral base for so-called liberalism is the ethics of altruism-you are your brother's keeper. I truely find it amusing to listen to the liberals and the conservatives arguing. The liberals are merely trying to implement politically the moral principles of the conservatives. The basis of the welfare state is you are your brother's keeper. And where do you hear that? Go to church sometime and listen, actually listen. If you look at the broader scope of history, you will find that the Stoics, and later their fellow travelers, the Christians, took advantage of the magnanimous spirit of the Greeks and their off-spring, the Romans, and weakened them. Read St. Augustine's City of God (written right after the sack of Rome in 410) in which he admitted that the Romans blamed the Christians for the destruction. The same thing is happening today, and, with the same consequences. Until you are able to say that you are the owner of your life and that no one, no law, no majority, no needy person, no tax collector has ANY "moral" claim to your life, you will never be able to understand what is happening. WingNut, you might have been better served to have started with Anthem at age 12, rather than Atlas Shrugged. JEH

 

[MossRoad]

Bird,
Regarding your post office job....
I had a job like that at a flower wholesaler. A co-worker took me on the route the first few days. It took us about 6 hours. The first time I did it on my own, I came back in 4. The owner thought I skipped part of the route. The co-worker gave me dirty looks. I did it consistantly in 4 hours for a week. The owner realized he'd been paying the co-worker 2hrs for nothing every day for the last few years. It was only a minimum wage job, but I got an extra 50 cents an hour real fast /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[saw_dust]

Putty,
Good post....I know some UPS drivers and the hours those guys put in...I hate for them to have to drive to my house for a little package to be delivered....They really get a work out around Christmas....they are all polite and very friendly,I always exchange greetings with them,small talk etc.....and they are fine people. I work a 12 hour shift and get lots of days off...I wonder how they are able to get anything done at home,the hours they work...

 

[Anonymous Poster]

<font color=blue>Until you are able to say that you are the owner of your life and that no one, no law, no majority, no needy person, no tax collector has ANY "moral" claim to your life, you will never be able to understand what is happening.</font color=blue>

Grimreaper...

Then I guess we will have to assume that by self-admission you don't know what is happening...I doubt that you fit in that mold you describe there.

Unless you believe you are the one who defines what "moral" is.

Do you? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif And...do you? /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Aw..../w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif..Tractor!

Bill in Pgh, PA