Oil & Fuel On my way to 100

[IndyIan]

This is where I am confused. Some places in the manual it says only to change the hydraulic filter at the 50 hr mark and in another place it seems to say to change both the filter and oil. Which is correct?

I think whatever your dealer says is correct is correct if you have a warranty issue. That said, someone here posted an email from Kioti head office that says changing the fluid at 50hrs is required.
My dealer says change hyd. oil @50hrs so I did. I'm not tossing my drivetrain warranty for $120 50 hrs in...

 

[k0ua]

This is where I am confused. Some places in the manual it says only to change the hydraulic filter at the 50 hr mark and in another place it seems to say to change both the filter and oil. Which is correct?

The way I interpret it, on my DK35se anyway, it calls for all filters and hydraulic fluid and engine oil and front differential at 50 hours.. Then engine oil at 100 (and filter) then hydro and hydraulic filters at 200, then all fluids and filters at 400... anyway that is what I am going to do

James K0UA

 

[murphy1244]

The way I interpret it, on my DK35se anyway, it calls for all filters and hydraulic fluid and engine oil and front differential at 50 hours.. Then engine oil at 100 (and filter) then hydro and hydraulic filters at 200, then all fluids and filters at 400... anyway that is what I am going to do

James K0UA

Here we go again!!!!!

 

[Coyote machine]

I think whatever your dealer says is correct is correct if you have a warranty issue. That said, someone here posted an email from Kioti head office that says changing the fluid at 50hrs is required.
My dealer says change hyd. oil @50hrs so I did. I'm not tossing my drivetrain warranty for $120 50 hrs in...

I posted what I was told by the N. America office, where I spoke to one of their head techs. At the time I was concerned about the squeal noise in reverse that some tractor owners were experiencing, including me, on my DK-40se/hst. (I had NOT experienced it on my DK-35se/hst.) Kioti tech said to do it to cover myself; if something went wrong Kioti "could" make not having changed the hydo fluid at 50 hours an issue.
I was confused and sought clarification about the contradiction of saying filter and fluid, and in another place in the manual it said filter only at 50hrs?!:confused2:
I choose to NOT change the hydro fluid in the trans at 50 or at 400. though I may do it at some time in the near future....or I may not. I'm not too concerned about being bounced on warranty- and Kioti did come up with a fix for the squeal noise so I'm good to go at over 450 hours.

 

[k0ua]

Lets put it this way, the fluid I drained out of the transmission and front differential were both dark and dirty looking. The fluid I put back in (mobilefluid 424) was nearly clear tinted with yellow. There was a small amount of what amounts to steel dust sludge on the Magnet. I also had dried paint flecks in the bottom of the drain pan. I would have thought they would have been caught by the filter, but maybe they were never stirred up off of the bottom of the transmission housing, but draining brought them out. I don't know.. Also coyotemachine.. I bet you have a big azzed rats nest on the top of your transmission too, but you havent crawled up under there to see it:laughing::laughing: Take care you all.

James K0UA

 

[CJONE]

Lets put it this way, the fluid I drained out of the transmission and front differential were both dark and dirty looking. The fluid I put back in (mobilefluid 424) was nearly clear tinted with yellow. There was a small amount of what amounts to steel dust sludge on the Magnet. I also had dried paint flecks in the bottom of the drain pan. I would have thought they would have been caught by the filter, but maybe they were never stirred up off of the bottom of the transmission housing, but draining brought them out. I don't know.. Also coyotemachine.. I bet you have a big azzed rats nest on the top of your transmission too, but you havent crawled up under there to see it:laughing::laughing: Take care you all.

James K0UA

+1 the crap theat came out of mine I don't know what I will do with it. Very dirty and dark. I thought about putting it through a 3 micron filter but the elements are worth more than the oil!!! Good fire starter I guess. CJ

 

[dennis52]

Undertook my DS4510 270hr hydraulic filter (not fluid) change today not having read this thread.

I chose to firstly drain the hydraulic fluid as I wasn't convinced that quickly exchanging filters , with 45 litres of hydraulic fluid in the transmission, was going to go smoothly for me.

This was the 3rd hydraulic filter the tractor has had, the last one being put on under the free 50hr service by my dealer.

Consequently I hoped the filter would be a little easier to remove: no such luck.

Went to TBN for help and got great advice from some old posts on the correct technique for using my filter belt wrench that I previously could not get to work.

Here was the advice from "Iron Horse":

"There is a trick to using the strap type wrench , you don't simply tighten the the strap with the ratchet or it will crush the filter . You place it so that it is roughly at 3 o/clock on the filter (relative to your position)and use the ratchet as a lever by using both hands , the left hand on the head of the ratchet or extension and the right on the handle . Any other position on the filter loses the purchase you will have at 3 o'clock ."

Well that and a bit of WD40 eventually got the filter loosened. Hurray!

Another thing I learned was that, if you also decide to drain your fluid when changing the filter, you only have to drain from the middle drain plug; no need to also drain the rear axle plugs or the forward transmission drain plug.

The fluid itself was like new. The only foreign particles being metal shavings on the drain plug magnet


It also took me a long time and a lot of care, to put the fluid back in as I wanted to use a filtered funnel.

After my warranty expires, I'll probably change the hydraulic fluid every 600 hrs and the filter maybe every 300 hrs.

Good preparation , persistence, the right tool and , in this case, the right technique, paid off.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

I chose to firstly drain the hydraulic fluid as I wasn't convinced that quickly exchanging filters , with 45 litres of hydraulic fluid in the transmission, was going to go smoothly for me.

Dennis52,

I changed just the filter my last service, I did not drain the fluid. nothing leaked. I did fill the new filter with fresh hyd oil to replace what I lost when taking it out, and I also checked the hyd oil level and added a small amount.

No prob...

David

 

[dennis52]

Dennis52,

I changed just the filter my last service, I did not drain the fluid. nothing leaked. I did fill the new filter with fresh hyd oil to replace what I lost when taking it out, and I also checked the hyd oil level and added a small amount.

No prob...

David

David,
are you saying that there was no fluid flow coming out of the hydraulic lines when you removed your old filter. My dealer advised me to anticipate loosing at least half a gallon, even with a quick change.
Not sure if being a HST would make things different.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

David,
are you saying that there was no fluid flow coming out of the hydraulic lines when you removed your old filter. My dealer advised me to anticipate loosing at least half a gallon, even with a quick change.
Not sure if being a HST would make things different.

Mine is HST.

There was plenty IN the filter that was lost, but nothing else came out.

I was not fast... I was slow and methodical.

Just my experience, your mileage may vary sir.

David