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Oil is not a Fossil Fuel
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Like the article said it is a theory, which as best I can tell is unproven. When it is proven, it become a law. As far as I know there is no one around who can tell us where oil comes from, so we have speculation and theory.
The article seemed to imply that Russia became petroleum rich because of this knowledge. I guess I am saying the link between this knowledge and petroleum richness wasn't clear. Why hasn't every petroleum poor country used this knowledge to their advantage? I guess I would say so what? How does this knowledge help us?
My father was a petroleum engineer and I never heard him speak about this theory, although he was alive during that time. But then again, I don't remember him talking about any theory. He was concerned with finding petroleum base and converting it into refined products.
The article seemed to imply that Russia became petroleum rich because of this knowledge. I guess I am saying the link between this knowledge and petroleum richness wasn't clear. Why hasn't every petroleum poor country used this knowledge to their advantage? I guess I would say so what? How does this knowledge help us?
My father was a petroleum engineer and I never heard him speak about this theory, although he was alive during that time. But then again, I don't remember him talking about any theory. He was concerned with finding petroleum base and converting it into refined products.
I talked about this with a supt. of a drill rig locally one day recently. He basically agreed that it was plausible, and in so many words said he would not get caught proliferating those ideas. (colorful language)
Those in power will do whatever to keep it. Given that oil is our true currency, the truly powerful elite try to protect it.
Those in power will do whatever to keep it. Given that oil is our true currency, the truly powerful elite try to protect it.
CurlyDave
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Guys, I am a Chemical Engineer by training, and while I don't claim to know where oil comes from I can tell you conclusively that it does not come from the chemical reaction between iron oxide and calcium carbonate.
Oil is a hydrocarbon, which means that it is mostly made up of hydrogen and carbon. While there is carbon in calcium carbonate, there is no hydrogen. There is also no hydrogen in iron oxide.
What is true is that the more we look for oil, the more we find. The reason Russia has so much oil is that they never had an environmental movement. For many decades, if you started making that kind of trouble over there, you went straight to the gulag.
The US has more oil than Russia, the problem is that the environmentalists and the government wont lets us get to it. Think ANWR, think shale oil, think tar sands, think offshore oil drilling, and think about exploring the Atlantic coast for oil.
On the other hand, I agree complete Anthropogenic Global Warming is a complete hoax.
Oil is a hydrocarbon, which means that it is mostly made up of hydrogen and carbon. While there is carbon in calcium carbonate, there is no hydrogen. There is also no hydrogen in iron oxide.
What is true is that the more we look for oil, the more we find. The reason Russia has so much oil is that they never had an environmental movement. For many decades, if you started making that kind of trouble over there, you went straight to the gulag.
The US has more oil than Russia, the problem is that the environmentalists and the government wont lets us get to it. Think ANWR, think shale oil, think tar sands, think offshore oil drilling, and think about exploring the Atlantic coast for oil.
On the other hand, I agree complete Anthropogenic Global Warming is a complete hoax.
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Not another oil company conspiracy theory.
That theory is complete and utter rubbish. Oil is a hydrocarbon. You can't form a hydrocarbon from calcium carbonate (CaCO3) and iron oxide (Fe2O3) because there is no hydrogen in the reaction. That's basic chemistry. You can't say that it comes from water because at the temperature and pressure that they're saying their reaction takes place at, water doesn't exist as water. Besides, where do you think the calcium carbonate comes from??? You guessed it, it's organic in origin too, it's the skeletal remains of coccoliths(?) and other marine life and organisms. Google it.
Whoever said that all oil is the same in the pipeline doesn't know what they are talking about either. The oil from different oil fields is all different. In fact, most oil produced worldwide is fingerprinted in order to find out who is illegally dumping oil at sea when they wash out their tanks. If you want to know how a rig works ask a rig superintendent. If you want to know how to find oil ask a geophysicist, geologist or a good drilling or reservoir engineer.
The processes and conditions under which oil and gas are formed have been well understood for a long time. I don't know where this theory came from but if you think that there's any validity to it, ask your self how much money the major oil companies have invested in developing it. You got it ... none.
Curly Dave, you beat me to it.
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I just like playing devil's advocate. I am no geologist or chemist. My point was contrived shortages in the marketplace. We need to drill in the US. And we need conservation.
Neat info about the fingerprinting, can you elaborate on that? I find the oil field very interesting.
Anyone ever seen the documentary "Who killed the electric car?"?
Neat info about the fingerprinting, can you elaborate on that? I find the oil field very interesting.
Anyone ever seen the documentary "Who killed the electric car?"?
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Sounds like a bunch of fooey to me to. Though it is worth a read for a good laugh.
Identifying where a specific batch of crude oil came from is actually rather simple in the lab. Crude oil is made up of hundreds of different hydrocarbon molecules. Basically it's just a matter of matching the hydrocarbon composition of a batch up to a list of known producing wells. In the news there are some you hear about a lot. Two in the US that tend to be benchmarks for pricing are WTI or West Texas Intermediate which is a light sweet crude oil and Maya which is a Mexican benchmark composed of a blend of heavy sour crude (there are around 155 to 160 or so major types of crude traded on the worldwide market). WTI oil trades at a much higher premium than Maya oil does because it is much easier to refine being a light sweet crude. Some American and European countries with more highly advanced refinery's can process most any type of crude which is good for their bottom line. They can buy Maya or heavy sour crude at deep discounts, refine it in their high tech refinery and sell the gas and diesel at a premium price. This is behind an explosion in profit margins for the high-tech refiners. Older refineries and smaller companies on the other hand are stuck buying easier to refine crude in the light category and end up paying a premium for the better stock. To be able to process the lower quality crude they would have to invest hundreds of millions to billions to upgrade to more modern refining technology.
Crude oil pumped out of the ground isn't always like you see it in the movies, black. It can look almost water clear to coal black and be of a viscosity close to water or extremely thick almost solid like wax.
If I wasn't about to pass out from lack of sleep I would continue. I will definitely have to continue on this topic later, I could type on this subject for day's.
Edited to add: TexSparx - Yep, saw the documentary "Who killed the electric car". It's sad but true.
Identifying where a specific batch of crude oil came from is actually rather simple in the lab. Crude oil is made up of hundreds of different hydrocarbon molecules. Basically it's just a matter of matching the hydrocarbon composition of a batch up to a list of known producing wells. In the news there are some you hear about a lot. Two in the US that tend to be benchmarks for pricing are WTI or West Texas Intermediate which is a light sweet crude oil and Maya which is a Mexican benchmark composed of a blend of heavy sour crude (there are around 155 to 160 or so major types of crude traded on the worldwide market). WTI oil trades at a much higher premium than Maya oil does because it is much easier to refine being a light sweet crude. Some American and European countries with more highly advanced refinery's can process most any type of crude which is good for their bottom line. They can buy Maya or heavy sour crude at deep discounts, refine it in their high tech refinery and sell the gas and diesel at a premium price. This is behind an explosion in profit margins for the high-tech refiners. Older refineries and smaller companies on the other hand are stuck buying easier to refine crude in the light category and end up paying a premium for the better stock. To be able to process the lower quality crude they would have to invest hundreds of millions to billions to upgrade to more modern refining technology.
Crude oil pumped out of the ground isn't always like you see it in the movies, black. It can look almost water clear to coal black and be of a viscosity close to water or extremely thick almost solid like wax.
If I wasn't about to pass out from lack of sleep I would continue.
I will definitely have to continue on this topic later, I could type on this subject for day's.Edited to add: TexSparx - Yep, saw the documentary "Who killed the electric car". It's sad but true.
charlz
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My point wasn't that all oil is chemically the same. What I meant was you are sitting there with 5,000 gallons of near-diesel on a truck that probably needs very little refining to make a marketable product. However 'the system' is set up to receive massive amounts of oil from the pipeline and turn it into marketable products. So whether the oil is already mostly 'refined' or so thick it won't pump unless kept really hot it all gets treated 'the same'. There is no 'bypass' for the stuff that wouldn't take much effort to refine it.
I still think its possible for some microbe or the like deep in the earths crust to be involved in the production of oil. After all they never believed anything could live in the depths of the ocean... but low and behold there are colonies of all kinds of life around thermal ocean vents and they eat chemicals and crap out who knows what.
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Someone mentioned tagging Crude Oil for identification. This what they were talking about.
TRACERCO™ Taggants - Crude Tagging with Tracerco Taggants
TRACERCO™ Taggants - Crude Tagging with Tracerco Taggants
