Normal rattle using clutch w/ PTO engaged

[rimshot]

I know it's supposed to be normal but does anybody else out there get chills up and down their spine when it happens. I'm talking about that metalic rattle that occurs as we use an implement like a rear snow blower and have the PTO engaged. We get the clack clack clack when we step down on the clutch and that sounds like we just dropped a monkey wrench between a gear and pinion.

Other than throttling down to an idle beforehand, is there any way to diminsh that darned rattle. Sheesh! I don't like hearing my ck-20 grumbling about anything because we have too much work to do.

rimshot (constantly relocating snow again this Wiinter)

 

[greenmule]

Must be a ck20 thing? Didn't notice any nosies like that when mowing this summer and backing up,but I got a ck 30,ck 20 must have something other than duel stage clutch, maybe an internal pto thing a ma jig?Some kabotas have that.

 

[novi408]

If I remember correctly, it was posted a while ago that this noise is the overrun clutch that prevents the implement from running the transmission. I have the same noise in my CK20S when I push the clutch with the finish mower running. I have found that if I slip the PTO off without pushing the clutch, I don't get the noise, but I don't know if this does more damage than good, so I almost always use the clutch.

Edit: Here is the thread I was thinking of: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/128875-kioti-ck-20s-hydro-question.html

 

[DK35vince]

If I remember correctly the CK 20 gear does not have a live PTO.
When you depress the clutch the PTO stops and the clicking you are hearing is the overrunning clutch freewheeling as the PTO and implement is slowing/winding down.

 

[Dmace]

Just for reference I will say it again, Don't use the clutch to disengage the PTO. It might be necessary for a mower or something but definitely not my snowblower.

 

[greenmule]

No clutch for disengageing pto?,well if it works in works,anybody else disengage with out pushing in clutch?
Course you got hst,never used one,do you push in a clutch when you engage?

 

[Highbeam]

Yes, PTO to engage clutch on CK30HST as it is a geared deal. But no, there is no clackity clack. Not sure they use an overrun clutch on the HST.

 

[Dmace]

No clutch for disengageing pto?,well if it works in works,anybody else disengage with out pushing in clutch?
Course you got hst,never used one,do you push in a clutch when you engage?

It may be an HST thing but since the original poster has an HST also, it will work the same. I do use the clutch to engage the PTO, I have never tried to engage it without the clutch and never will. I also use the clutch to switch from Low to High gear and hit the brake as well since it makes the gears go in much easier.

Also, the CK20 does have a Live PTO.

 

[DK35vince]

The CK 20 HST has live PTO.
The CK 20 gear does not. It has a tranmission driven PTO. When the clutch is depressed the PTO will stop.
All the other CK gear models have live PTO with a 2 stage clutch.

 

[jimb1724]

hey guys:


i have the ck20hst also. i always throtle down and engage clutch to shift in and out of hi/lo range. the only pto item i use is a snowblower. i also always throtle down and engage the clutch to engage and disengage the rear pto. when i disengage, i do get some clackity clack noise. nothing major though...

shouldn't the clutch always be engaged for all gear changes and mid and rear pto use ? any dealers out there have some input ?

thanks
jim

 

[rimshot]

Just for reference I will say it again, Don't use the clutch to disengage the PTO. It might be necessary for a mower or something but definitely not my snowblower.

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Thanks for covering these points. Just fo the sake of discussion however I would point out that my owner's manual (pg 7-23 manual part #S196-001 dated July of 2006) says the following:

quoted from owner's manual CK20(s) HST:

*to avoid damage of transmission before shifting the P.T.O. gear shift lever, fully disengage the main clutch*

just throwing this out for thought, even though you operators that don't clutch to stop have had good luck with the practice and would most likely know by now if any damage should have occurred. Kioti may have cut that explanation short not wanting to distinguish between disengage PTO and engaging.

Appreciate the viewpoints

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[Dmace]

quoted from owner's manual CK20(s) HST:

*to avoid damage of transmission before shifting the P.T.O. gear shift lever, fully disengage the main clutch*

I am sure they only mean when engaging the PTO and not dis-engaging. There is nothing smooth about that overrunning clutch noise and if it is used on a regular basis, I guarantee that it will need to be replaced sooner than later.

 

[JonKioti]

**** this forum is useful - this is good to know it's not just my machine.

I do get the same noise and will try to disengage without the clutch. I will also check with another CK-20 owner (Reg) to see if he can shed some light on the matter as he is better versed on what's going on inside these things.

I have never given any thought to knocking my car into neutral without using the clutch, so I suppose this is similar.

Jon

(New snow blade is on Canadian soil now....)

 

[jimb1724]

I'd like to keep this thread going and get input from the dealers out there...

Question for Rick, Dave and other Kioti dealers:

should the clutch on the CK20HST be engaged for both going in and out of: 1) low/hi gears

 

[jimb1724]

I'd like to keep this thread going and get input from the dealers out there...

Question for Rick, Dave and other Kioti dealers:

should the clutch on the CK20HST be engaged for both going in and out of: 1) low/hi gears

oops... hit enter too soon....

2) engage/disengage rear pto and 3) engage/disengage mid pto....

thanks guys....