Newbie FEL operation question

[grahamu]

Not sure if this is where I went wrong, but I actually read the manual for the LA402 FEL on my new B7800 and it got me confused.

On one page talking about 'Test Operation' it shows each direction that the control can be moved and what it does. For 3 of the 4 corners it shows the combination movement (raise & dump, lower and dump, lower and rollback). However, for the fourth (raise and rollback) it states the following:

"However, the blank position (Raise & Roll back) is not recommended for scooping because of insufficient lift force".

However, on the very next page on operating the loader it says the following re filling the bucket:

"Approach and enter the pile with a level bucket. Ease control lever toward you and then back to rollback and lift the bucket. The rollback and lifting of the bucket will increase efficiency because a level bucket throughout the lifting cycle resists bucket lift and increases breakaway effort".

To me, these two things seem to be saying the opposite to each other; one says to use the raise and rollback and the other says don't.

I would welcome any thoughts, suggestions, etc.

Thanks,
Graham

 

[grahamu]

Not sure if this is where I went wrong, but I actually read the manual for the LA402 FEL on my new B7800 and it got me confused.

On one page talking about 'Test Operation' it shows each direction that the control can be moved and what it does. For 3 of the 4 corners it shows the combination movement (raise & dump, lower and dump, lower and rollback). However, for the fourth (raise and rollback) it states the following:

"However, the blank position (Raise & Roll back) is not recommended for scooping because of insufficient lift force".

However, on the very next page on operating the loader it says the following re filling the bucket:

"Approach and enter the pile with a level bucket. Ease control lever toward you and then back to rollback and lift the bucket. The rollback and lifting of the bucket will increase efficiency because a level bucket throughout the lifting cycle resists bucket lift and increases breakaway effort".

To me, these two things seem to be saying the opposite to each other; one says to use the raise and rollback and the other says don't.

I would welcome any thoughts, suggestions, etc.

Thanks,
Graham

 

[OrangeTractor]

Hey Graham, the manual is correct in saying not to rollback and lift at the same time,as it will lose any real power. And the second statement means to rollback, then lift. I can understand the misinterupretion,but when you get some seat time you see what the manual is meaning.

 

[OrangeTractor]

Hey Graham, the manual is correct in saying not to rollback and lift at the same time,as it will lose any real power. And the second statement means to rollback, then lift. I can understand the misinterupretion,but when you get some seat time you see what the manual is meaning.

 

[grahamu]

Thanks Orange, I see what you are saying - many thanks for that. I have a big pile of bark chippings just asking to be practiced on!!! Now I just need the rain to stop.

 

[grahamu]

Thanks Orange, I see what you are saying - many thanks for that. I have a big pile of bark chippings just asking to be practiced on!!! Now I just need the rain to stop.

 

[Bob53]

Graham,

woodchips you will be able to get smoother with some curl and lift because of less weight. When you get to the gravel you need to be more aware of what Orange explained. With the gravel you may need to backup a little to get the lift if you get the bucket in to deep. I was used to using a bigger loader with the gravel and took while to get used to the 403.

 

[Bob53]

Graham,

woodchips you will be able to get smoother with some curl and lift because of less weight. When you get to the gravel you need to be more aware of what Orange explained. With the gravel you may need to backup a little to get the lift if you get the bucket in to deep. I was used to using a bigger loader with the gravel and took while to get used to the 403.

 

[Bird]

Maybe it'll help to think of it this way. When you pull back on the joystick, that opens a valve to send your hydraulic oil pressure to the cylinders that lift the bucket. When you move the joystick to the left, that opens a valve to send the hydraulic oil pressure to the cylinders that roll the bucket back. Now if you do both simultaneously, pull back and left, you open both valves, but the oil pressure is only coming from one place and will naturally follow the path of least resistance. As a result, it will either roll the bucket back or it will raise the bucket but not both simultaneously unless the resistance (weight) is exactly the same on both.

 

[Bird]

Maybe it'll help to think of it this way. When you pull back on the joystick, that opens a valve to send your hydraulic oil pressure to the cylinders that lift the bucket. When you move the joystick to the left, that opens a valve to send the hydraulic oil pressure to the cylinders that roll the bucket back. Now if you do both simultaneously, pull back and left, you open both valves, but the oil pressure is only coming from one place and will naturally follow the path of least resistance. As a result, it will either roll the bucket back or it will raise the bucket but not both simultaneously unless the resistance (weight) is exactly the same on both.

 

[Skidmark25]

You'll get the hang of what the FEL can and can't do after a little while. I never had operated a piece of equipment before trying to use my FEL but I just found an open area in the back so I couldn't hit anything and I had at it. Good luck. . .

 

[Skidmark25]

You'll get the hang of what the FEL can and can't do after a little while. I never had operated a piece of equipment before trying to use my FEL but I just found an open area in the back so I couldn't hit anything and I had at it. Good luck. . .

 

[MadReferee]

Bird has it almost right. The 7 o'clock position (curl + lift) is the only position where both functions must overcome the forces of gravity. All other positions that use both functions have one of the functions taking advantage of gravity. This helps the hydraulics considerably for the function that is lowering or dumping.

 

[MadReferee]

Bird has it almost right. The 7 o'clock position (curl + lift) is the only position where both functions must overcome the forces of gravity. All other positions that use both functions have one of the functions taking advantage of gravity. This helps the hydraulics considerably for the function that is lowering or dumping.

 

[grahamu]

Thanks everyone - it is now much clearer as you have xplained it. Interesting how some experienced users can explain something so much better than whoever writes the operator's manuals!!!

I have only been a member on this site for a matter or weeks (and a tractor owner for a matter of days) and it amazes me how much assistance everyone has given both in chosing the right machine for me and in helping in my first tentative steps in the seat.

Hopefully, after a few hundred hours in that seat I'll be able to help others in a similar sitaution to that I'm in now.

Graham

 

[grahamu]

Thanks everyone - it is now much clearer as you have xplained it. Interesting how some experienced users can explain something so much better than whoever writes the operator's manuals!!!

I have only been a member on this site for a matter or weeks (and a tractor owner for a matter of days) and it amazes me how much assistance everyone has given both in chosing the right machine for me and in helping in my first tentative steps in the seat.

Hopefully, after a few hundred hours in that seat I'll be able to help others in a similar sitaution to that I'm in now.

Graham