New version of Pat's Easy Change

Kubotadriver · May 5, 2004

Re: New version of Pat\'s Easy Change

Hi, All

Did anyone ever find out if this systems works with the Kubota B7500 Backhoe unit. I have one heck of a time getting that on and off, and am looking for a easier way to hook it up. Once the lower hitch is on the upper is easy, but getting the lower arms aligned is a real pain. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Gary_in_Indiana · Jun 8, 2004

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I don't own Pat's system but am seriously considering one to replace my (NOT SO) quick hitch. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

As to the spacer/spreader, couldn't you just make something like an inverted 'U' to use that would still allow you to back to PTO implements? It would be much like a quick hitch frame.

If you knotched the ends to fit over and stabilize the spread on Pat's system with the horizontal piece either adjustable for width or able to be exchanged with different ones for different widths that could be the solution. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I don't know if I'm doing a good job of describing what I'm visualizing here but I hope so. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bob_Skurka · Jun 8, 2004

Re: New version of Pat\'s Easy Change

( Hi, All

Did anyone ever find out if this systems works with the Kubota B7500 Backhoe unit. I have one heck of a time getting that on and off, and am looking for a easier way to hook it up. Once the lower hitch is on the upper is easy, but getting the lower arms aligned is a real pain. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif )

Is your backhoe mounted on a sub-frame or is it mounted directly to the 3pt hitch? If it is mounted directly to the 3pt hitch then even without seeing it I can tell you that YES it should work. It will move your backhoe about 3 inches farther away from your tractor so it might make your front end feel a bit light.

KiotiJohn · Jun 8, 2004

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If your talking about using a 3ph backhoe with the Pat's system, I wouldn't try it. I have Pat's EZ hitch on my Kioti, and I don't think the pressures of a BH with all the different stresses would be good. I mention this because of the powerful stresses I've noticed while using my subframe mounted BH. Pat's is hooked onto the ends of the hitch arms, and I just don't think it would take a BH very well. I sure wouldn't want to try it. John

MikePA · Jun 9, 2004

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 Did anyone ever find out if this systems works with the Kubota B7500 Backhoe unit. 
Instead of relying on opinions of TBNers, I'd call or email Pat and ask the manufacturer. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gary_in_Indiana · Jun 9, 2004

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There has been so much discussion of the angle of Pat's system to the pins on different implements one might have. One thing I haven't seen anyone mention is using Pat's with a Top n Tilt and how that might affect the angles, wear, stress, etc., or even if it could be done.

Is anyone using Pat's with their Top n Tilt? Any problems? Any potential problems? Are there limitations on how far you can angle implements using your tilt hydraulic? I'd really love some feedback from people who are using it here. Thanks. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Inspector507 · Jun 9, 2004

Re: New version of Pat\'s Easy Change

Gary,
I only have the top link, no tilt yet. So anything I have to offer would not address any issues of angle or stress.

DannyD · Jun 11, 2004

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When I got my Pats system, I went to the "factory" and picked them up. The kind gentleman there showed me a set that they put to 45000 pounds of stress to try and break a weld...........it bent the "hook" instead of the weld. Now my physics is not up to par, but that is a lot of stress. Dont know if your BH is up to that much or not.

rambler · Jun 11, 2004

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( When I got my Pats system, I went to the "factory" and picked them up. The kind gentleman there showed me a set that they put to 45000 pounds of stress to try and break a weld...........it bent the "hook" instead of the weld. Now my physics is not up to par, but that is a lot of stress. Dont know if your BH is up to that much or not. )

A backhoe puts extreme stress on the upper link attatchment to the tractor. Extending the distance of the lower arms might well increase the stress to this upper link. Also, the backhoe will push in very different directions on the lower arms; Pat may not have put stress on the hooks in _those_ directions. I'm thinking straight up on the latches......

--->Paul

DannyD · Jun 13, 2004

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Not an engineer in this area of expertise, but NO, they showed me the piece, it was on the HOOK and it was bent straight out as if you had it on the lower arms and pulled out from the connection point. I work on computers, will never see that much "work" on my Pats, but I was impressed. I would probably get a 23 if I needed a bh enough, but my Pats would come off the 2200 first.

I would think the catch would break before what I saw would anyway.

KiotiJohn · Jun 14, 2004

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( When I got my Pats system, I went to the "factory" and picked them up. The kind gentleman there showed me a set that they put to 45000 pounds of stress to try and break a weld )
It's not just the welds that I would worry about. The Pat's is connected to the lift arms with bolts/nuts and a U bolt. Will they take the stress? I think that's the better question for me. John

MicroPilot · Jun 29, 2004

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( ....The Pat's is connected to the lift arms with bolts/nuts and a U bolt. .... )

It doesn't connect through the ball joint on the arm with a pin?

Also does the extra length on the arms affect drive shaft lengths enough that they need to be resized?

Bob_Skurka · Jun 29, 2004

Re: New version of Pat\'s Easy Change

( ( ....The Pat's is connected to the lift arms with bolts/nuts and a U bolt. .... )

It doesn't connect through the ball joint on the arm with a pin?

Also does the extra length on the arms affect drive shaft lengths enough that they need to be resized? )

The Pat's system DOES use the original ball joint, as well as nuts & bolts. The nuts/bolts are really there for stability and to square the hooks to the implements. There are 4 hex bolts, in addition to the rear u-bolt.

I have had no problems with needed to extend any drive shafts on any PTO implement at all. But I have found that the system, just like other Quick Hitches, does move the weight of the implement farther back.

MicroPilot · Jun 29, 2004

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( ...But I have found that the system, just like other Quick Hitches, does move the weight of the implement farther back. )

Has this been an issue with any of your implements?

Bob_Skurka · Jun 29, 2004

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( ( ...But I have found that the system, just like other Quick Hitches, does move the weight of the implement farther back. )

Has this been an issue with any of your implements? )

NOPE, but it sure has been an issue with the weight distribution of the tractor. So much so that I put front weights on to keep the nose from lifting up in the air when a really heavy implement is on the back end.

Kaliburz · Aug 4, 2004

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( ( When I got my Pats system, I went to the "factory" and picked them up. The kind gentleman there showed me a set that they put to 45000 pounds of stress to try and break a weld...........it bent the "hook" instead of the weld. Now my physics is not up to par, but that is a lot of stress. Dont know if your BH is up to that much or not. )

A backhoe puts extreme stress on the upper link attatchment to the tractor. Extending the distance of the lower arms might well increase the stress to this upper link. Also, the backhoe will push in very different directions on the lower arms; Pat may not have put stress on the hooks in _those_ directions. I'm thinking straight up on the latches......

--->Paul )

I have an older 3pt backhoe that I'm having issues connecting w/ a tractor...... seat going to hit roll guard (I have a post on it). I'm wondering if this would work or if I should just make an adapter to bring the backhoe out farther from the tractor....

Oh, about quick hitches, I'm using a Spee Co Cat 1 for some equipment.

Granted, you have to put adapter bushings on the bottom..... it works, so far. I don't use it for all the equpment.

HammerFour · Aug 9, 2004

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One of my pins that goes thru the lower link balls fell out after I moved my pec ( pat's easy change ) from the B7100 ( which I sold ) to my new L2350. The cotter pin that holds the big cross pin wouldn't go back in after I had to drive the cross pin out to remove the hook from the old tractor. I used a grinder to bevel the edges of the cross pin and put it back in on the new tractor, but like I said the cotter pin wouldn't fit, and I forgot to stick a retaining pin of some sort in it.

Oops.

Definitley my fault kind of thing.

Any ideas on how to get a hold of Pat to order a new pin?

KiotiJohn · Aug 11, 2004

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Greenwell manufacturing order info
John

Ranchero · Oct 3, 2004

Re: Pat\'s Easy Change & PHD

I just spent 2 hours today trying to install a set on my Kubota L3400. What did you do with the shims?

Also, are the two lower links connected with different length lifting arms?

83UTVol · Nov 22, 2004

Re: Pat\'s Easy Change & PHD

I know this is an old thread but thought it might be worth answering.

Shims... I have a Kubota B7800 and used the thick shim (they go in the space that is created between the lower arm and the PEC when you slip it over the arm)

I just put a set on and it took about 1.5 hours...it was at night and under 50deg so that slowed things a bit...25 minutes of that was spent trying to determine which shim was best...thick or thin.

After getting my blade back on when I was done I haven't changed anything out so I can't say whether or not I am fully satisfied yet but they weren't that hard to put on my 7800.

The lower right arm is adjustable on the 7800 (and probably most if not all) so that may be what you are thinking as far as different length arms go... not sure.