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I would NEVER buy an automated manual. An Allison yes,but not any brand of automated manual. I've seen too many stuck on the road, not able to go into any gear because of a stupid little electronic malfunction.
I just recently helped a guy out with a Volvo I-Shift. he was in middle of road unable to move. I climbed up to cab and immediately saw check engine light on.

So I shut his truck off, shut off master switch, then turned everything back on, fired it up and away he went.

No thanks, LOL

 

[Renze]

Love the Allison Automatics for hauling off road. One less chance to f-up a gear or foot slips off the clutch crossing a ditch or through soft ground.

I dont think anybody in Europe builds a converter automatic for heavy trucks... firetrucks and crash tenders get an imported Allison, for commercial applications the fuel penalty (on top of 8x8 or 10x10 trucks) is just too high...

Edit: ZF builds the 8 step Powerline transmission for trucks up to 26 ton GVW

PowerLine > Powershift Transmission

✓ Innovative gearset concept ✓ Benchmark in power-to-weight ratio and efficiency ✓ Fuel savings up to 10% ✓ Tailored to the requirements of special vehicle

www.zf.com

Undoubtedly this is the transmission they sell in the North American OEM market for pickup trucks.. There isnt enough market in Europe to break even on firetruck sales

 

[Hay Dude]

I dont think anybody in Europe builds a converter automatic for heavy trucks... firetrucks and crash tenders get an imported Allison, for commercial applications the fuel penalty (on top of 8x8 or 10x10 trucks) is just too high...

Yeah, I am limited to short hauls. If I was long hauling, I’d want as many gears as needed.
My application is 50 miles or less and a lot of off road stuff.

We did a job last winter with the 4WD dump truck on slippery mud that would have left a manual transmission stuck. The automatic always kept power to the rear wheels and just walked through it.

That muddy trail behind the truck was slicker than owl schid

 

[Renze]

The part you miss is, Scania is not sold here (yet)

I didnt miss that... you guys just miss out on proper software for AMTs for specific purposes such as offroad or extreme haulage. Writing software that works acceptable for 80k pound long haulers just isnt the same. We had AMTs here since Mercedes-Benz introduced the EPS, electronic powershift, in 1989 which wasnt a powershift but the first AMT. That means 35 years here in on-road haul, but heavy haulage and dumptrucks were conventional shift (that means in Europe: 16 speed sychromesh, air assisted shift, fully air splitter and range, and air assisted clutch) untill... well maybe 10 years ago, because it wasnt developed up to a level that it handled extreme heavy haul and offroad.

They even put the ZF automated manual in telescopic cranes.

ZF used to offer an optional torque converter on their 16 speed manual, for heavy haulage, with lockup in all other gears but 1st. I dont think they still do because the AMT prevents misuse so it doesnt need the added expense of a torque converter, only for positioning the load or taking off on hills.

Things may change at some point but not in my lifetime or yours.

Things change sooner than you think. Under hood, all North American trucks already deploy a European developed engine (Paccar = Daf, Volvo/Mack = Volvo, Freightliner/Detroit = Mercedes Benz, Navistar S13 is Scania/MAN (in fact since the early MaxxForce 13, Navistar was building on a MAN licensed block, just with the wrong emission tech) If you want an American engine design you need to order the Cummins option.

I was never thrilled about being first on the scene in an accident, with the radiator cap. never was.

When i see that most cabs on long nose trucks marked as "classic line" are still riveted together, like a 1950s airplane, i see why you feel that way: Are they even crash tested ?
We had long noses in Europe for decades. When length regulations made cabovers more economical and they disappeared, nobody complained about safety, only about aesthetics... Because safety was never an issue here, when they crashed them into each other.

 

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Only my own personal feelings, but European class 8 trucks are like electric cars to me. They have zero appeal to me.

I like the old North American iron, with manual transmissions.

I can't even stand new North American trucks. Look at Western Star. You can't even get a 6900 anymore since they discontinued steel cabs to turn Stars into aluminum can Freightliners with the new X series.

The C500 Kenworth is the last real severe duty truck. And it almost got discontinued until more orders started coming in.

 

[Renze]

Only my own personal feelings, but European class 8 trucks are like electric cars to me. They have zero appeal to me.

Many here in Europe assume that North American trucks are big and luxurious. Untill you ask the driver of a heavy equipment company that imported one as a driving businesscard, to sit behind the wheel: Then you realize its cramped, spartan and 15 years behind European trucks... (sorry)
For me the same thing: These trucks look cool but i wouldnt want one for work, they only appeal my eye.

I like the old North American iron, with manual transmissions.

We have truckers who prefer old school here too. Unfortunately for them, without the latest emission stage, they arent allowed to do government work, or arent allowed on the premises of the sugar beet processing plant.

Some older trucks are kept to haul own equipment to non-governmental jobsites

The C500 Kenworth is the last real severe duty truck. And it almost got discontinued until more orders started coming in.

what versions ? I read in the brochure that they start with 40k tandems, or 18.15 ton. While 19 ton is standard duty in Europe.
For construction,
Volvo builds the FMX
Mercedes the Arocs
Scania the XT
Renault the Kerax
Iveco the Trakker

Severe duty, we are talking offroad mining haul trucks with 20 ton axles.

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Or ADTs with flatbed or 5th wheel are used throughout the world, when contractors operate internationally...

 

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Many here in Europe assume that North American trucks are big and luxurious. Untill you ask the driver of a heavy equipment company that imported one as a driving businesscard, to sit behind the wheel: Then you realize its cramped, spartan and 15 years behind European trucks... (sorry)
For me the same thing: These trucks look cool but i wouldnt want one for work, they only appeal my eye.


We have truckers who prefer old school here too. Unfortunately for them, without the latest emission stage, they arent allowed to do government work, or arent allowed on the premises of the sugar beet processing plant.

Some older trucks are kept to haul own equipment to non-governmental jobsites


what versions ? I read in the brochure that they start with 40k tandems, or 18.15 ton. While 19 ton is standard duty in Europe.
For construction,
Volvo builds the FMX
Mercedes the Arocs
Scania the XT
Renault the Kerax
Iveco the Trakker

Severe duty, we are talking offroad mining haul trucks with 20 ton axles.

GINAF Mining: Your dedicated partner in world wide mining activities

High payloads with compact fuel saving drivelines, easy maintenance access and smart operator assistance all contribute to the best operational performance.

ginaf-mining.com

Or ADTs with flatbed or 5th wheel are used throughout the world, when contractors operate internationally...

Mining and logging. Star 6900 and KW C500 were the last of the steel hood, triple frame with planetary axles.
The mine I'm at had a few 6900's but just ordered 3 C500's with 110,000 planetary rears.

 

[Hay Dude]

It’s really pretty sad what happened to Mack.

 

[RayIN]

Hummf. I've been a Chevy man all my life. I bought this 2013 Silverado 5.3 new. It had 86,xxx miles on it and began leaking oil from the pan gasket and oil filter adapter housing fit to block.
I retorqued the pan bolts and housing bolts; no joy.
Took it to the Chevy/GM dealer and they quoted me $3,600 to pull the engine, and replace the gaskets.
I said no thanks, I'll just drive it this way and add oil as required. Perhaps the oil puddles it leaves will be good advertisement for GM.

I forgot to include the reply from the service manager.
He told me around 85,xxx miles was when those trucks began to leak oil.
I might have to swallow my pride and buy a different brand next time.

 

[Renze]

Mining and logging. Star 6900 and KW C500 were the last of the steel hood, triple frame with planetary axles.
The mine I'm at had a few 6900's but just ordered 3 C500's with 110,000 planetary rears.

Planetary end reduction is standard here on anything above 11.5 ton or 25.350 pounds.
All above mentioned construction trucks in Europe have planetary reduction, and 13 or 14 ton axles even though 19 ton is legally permitted on tandems.

And 110k is 50 ton, is that tandem or triple ? Because AFAIK Freightliner uses Sisu planetary axles if any

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Available in single – tandem – tridem combination. Single or dual tyre mounting. Deeper ratios and higher weight ratings for slow moving applications.

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Here in Europe, single order heavy duty oul field trucks are the domain of Titan which uses Mercedes components

In the old days there was Berliet, later taken over by Renault which is now Volvo. With a Clark box and Cunmins VT1810 V12 it was the worlds biggest truck in 1957. Neither of them still builds trucks this big.