New (to me) Flail Mower

[madRazor]

Here's my new-to-me flail mower, a Ford 917H. 72 or so inch width



Recently serviced by the previous owner, and not used all that much from what I can tell. Has obviously been stored outside, at least the past couple years. I mowed about 4 hours yesterday and it handled that stuff easily on one pass. The pasture/grass was not mowed for a year at least. Now it is officially reclaimed. Even the small trees that had taken root, probably up to about an inch tops. Flails are the way to go, for me anyway. Mowed in 1st so I could chop everything up real nice. Subsequent cuttings will be quicker and shorter.

I know I should look at the gear box oil situation, and the sharpness of the knives, but I couldn't wait to use it! Did grease everything though. Gonna check her guts in the next few days, but so far so good.

Does anyone know what size/brand belts I should get for backup/replacement? The current one seems good, but it would be nice to be ready in case of failure. Kevlar?

Also, is there a recommended number of trigger-pulls per grease zerk? Not just for the flail, but for other attachments and the tractor too? Find myself scared of busting seals squeezing too much grease into whatever place....

 

[leonz]

Here's my new-to-me flail mower, a Ford 917H. 72 or so inch width

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Recently serviced by the previous owner, and not used all that much from what I can tell.

Has obviously been stored outside, at least the past couple years.

I mowed about 4 hours yesterday and it handled that stuff easily on one pass.

The pasture/grass was not mowed for a year at least.

Now it is officially reclaimed. Even the small trees that had taken root,
probably up to about an inch tops. Flails are the way to go, for me anyway.

Mowed in 1st so I could chop everything up real nice.

Subsequent cuttings will be quicker and shorter.

I know I should look at the gear box oil situation, and the sharpness
of the knives, but I couldn't wait to use it!

Did grease everything though.

Gonna check her guts in the next few days, but so far so good.

Does anyone know what size/brand belts I should get for backup/replacement?

The current one seems good, but it would be nice to be ready in case of failure. Kevlar?

Also, is there a recommended number of trigger-pulls per grease zerk?

Not just for the flail, but for other attachments and the tractor too? Find myself

scared of busting seals squeezing too much grease into whatever place....

I want to welcome you as the newest member of the "Flail Mower nnation"

About your mower,

Be sure to remove the bealt guard and dig all the V belt dust and grass dust off the side weldment
to be sure ot expose all the grease fittings.

Use about 6-7 pumps of grease in each of the flail mower rotor bearings(the tow in the side weldments

Use the same number of pumps in the rear roller bearings.

NOW about the V belt If your mowing now and will be mowing continously you will want to see if the V belt is shedding rubber dust. if it is when you grip the belt you need ot replace it as its death will be coming shortly.

Replace it with a Kevlar belt from NAPA or TSC or another retailer as long as its kevlar for its shock absorbing ability.


All V belts are metric just like roller bearings so no worries there.

This is how you purchase them using the V belt width A,B,C, etc. and nearest inch length to size them

Most flail mower belts are B sized and Be sure to ask for belts with the same lot number as different lot numbers will create problems with belt life as every batch of V belts is different because of the nylon thread.

About your mule, the manual if you have one will tell you how
much grease to use and where the fittings are.


You should keep mowing in fisrt gear if you want to create a
better sod with a turf grass seed.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Looks like it did a great job for you. Congrats on the find.

 

[madRazor]

Thanks! I have a BCS with a flail mower so I feel like I've been a part of flail mower nation for years! Don't know why flails haven't caught on more in the states..

So how about 80w-90 in the gear box? I will also be using that in my tiller I think, as well as the tractor's front axle, and it would be nice to keep the number of different fluids to a minimum!

 

[ncridgerunner1]

Congrats on the flail! I am very happy with my 917L which I understand is a lighter version of your mower. Living in Western NC, it is surprising how many people who live and work around farms do not even know what a flail mower is. With the performance of the flail mowers you would think they would be more mainstream across the US. In my area the best local deal on belts is at Tractor Supply.

 

[Jack Yuan]

what do you BCS mean? Italy BCS brand disc mower like this???

Thanks! I have a BCS with a flail mower so I feel like I've been a part of flail mower nation for years! Don't know why flails haven't caught on more in the states..

So how about 80w-90 in the gear box? I will also be using that in my tiller I think, as well as the tractor's front axle, and it would be nice to keep the number of different fluids to a minimum!

 

[Jack Yuan]

Hi, I'm the manufacturer for flail mower. Flail mower is very welcome in EU market, but not welcome in US market, so why do you think flail mower will be more mainstream across the US? Maybe I can learn something from your remark about flail mower. I found most US customer prefer mower like Bush Hog BH16.

Congrats on the flail! I am very happy with my 917L which I understand is a lighter version of your mower. Living in Western NC, it is surprising how many people who live and work around farms do not even know what a flail mower is. With the performance of the flail mowers you would think they would be more mainstream across the US. In my area the best local deal on belts is at Tractor Supply.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

I think U.S. buyers have chosen rotary mowers like the instead of flail mowers for two primary reasons. (1) cost, and (2) simplicity.

In the U.S., flail mowers have historically been much more expensive than rotary mowers. A 72" rotary mower can be purchased for well under $1,500 for a light duty model, and for $1,500 - $2,000 for a medium duty model. Flail mowers from the quality brands are priced at least double (and usually triple or more) the price of rotary mowers.

A rotary mower is perceived as a much simpler device that is easier to maintain. All you really have to do is keep oil in the gearbox, keep grease in any grease zerks and sharpen/replace the blades periodically.

 

[flusher]

Hi, I'm the manufacturer for flail mower. Flail mower is very welcome in EU market, but not welcome in US market, so why do you think flail mower will be more mainstream across the US? Maybe I can learn something from your remark about flail mower. I found most US customer prefer mower like Bush Hog BH16.

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.

Since you are a manufacturer, I would guess that you know this already.

 

[rd_macgregor]

In addition to being less costly and going faster (albeit with a rougher finish than a flail), rotaries usually have a greater capacity to handle small trees (up to two or three inches in diameter) which would be hard on typical farm-use flails. So, unless you can afford one of each, the rotary is a more versatile and cost-effective choice...but you compromising on quality of the finished cut.
Bob

 

[leonz]

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.

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There are a lot flail shredders used in the the United States and Europe especially due to
the EU safety regulations for mowing near highways and verges and pedestrian mowing in
on park land.


Here in the east IN MOST STATES flail mowers are used for near highway and verge
mowing to prevent the possibility of impacting objects and making missles out of them


A flail mower has to be built much more strongly than a rotary finish mower mower.

Most all of them are simply stamped in hydraulic presses and then weldments are
attached to them for the caster wheels and anti skid rollers.

 

[leonz]

what do you BCS mean? Italy BCS brand disc mower like this???
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Dear Mr. Yuan,

A disc mower is an entirely different rotary mower and not a flail mower.

The three point hitch rear mounted BCS ROTEX R6 is
what is referred to as integrally rear mounted haylage cutting machinery.


First:

It is a rear three point hitch mounted integral combination disc mower and haylage conditioner.

Second:

The disc mower conditioner utilises two rubber coated ribbed crimping rolls.
to aid in breaking the fibers of the hay being cut to dry it faster and
maintain the quality of the forage while it being stored in bales or
as ensilage.

Third the disc mower is an extension of the side mounted sickle mower
whch employs a series of gear box to belt to gear driven discs which have
four blades cutting the hay and then the crimping rolls pick up the cut forage
and crush it to some extent to break the fibers to make it evaporate faster
and then as a result dry faster to enable it to be baled or processed for ensilage.
per disc.

 

[ncridgerunner1]

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.


The State of North Carolina has gone almost exclusively to flail mowers and have greatly cut down the amount of damage to vehicles from flying debris.

 

[leonz]

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.


The State of North Carolina has gone almost exclusively to flail mowers and have greatly cut down the amount of damage to vehicles from flying debris.

Hey NCridgerunner,

I love it when a plan comes together.

The(NCDOT) folks will never regret using flail
mowers either of the forward discharge type or
the rear discharge units.

YAAAY!!

 

[Jack Yuan]

Thank you. I thought the only reason is price. Now seems more reasons.

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.

Since you are a manufacturer, I would guess that you know this already.

 

[Jack Yuan]

flail mower can make flying debris to damage vehicles????? really? the protect sheet on flail mower cannot prevent the flying debris?

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.


The State of North Carolina has gone almost exclusively to flail mowers and have greatly cut down the amount of damage to vehicles from flying debris.

 

[ncridgerunner1]

flail mower can make flying debris to damage vehicles????? really? the protect sheet on flail mower cannot prevent the flying debris?View attachment 346683

The rotary cutters cause a lot of damage the flail mowers do not.

 

[Jack Yuan]

do you mean now in The State of North Carolina, most mower are flail mower now??? Sorry for my bad English.

Most of the flail mowers in the U.S. are used to mow orchards and vineyards where the operator wants to cut the weeds down to ground level (scalp mowing). They are considered too slow for field mowing where the operator want a taller cut (several inches high). Brush hogs (aka bush hog, shredder, slasher) are preferred and are much less expensive than flails. You rarely see flail mowers used for highway right of way mowing--these are almost exclusively brush hogs.


The State of North Carolina has gone almost exclusively to flail mowers and have greatly cut down the amount of damage to vehicles from flying debris.

 

[ncridgerunner1]

do you mean now in The State of North Carolina, most mower are flail mower now??? Sorry for my bad English.

The government of the State of North Carolina is responsible to mow grass beside roads and highways in the state. The government of the State of North Carolina is using flail mowers to mow beside roads and highways.

 

[Jack Yuan]

Thank you. I heard that in US, the LAW ask people should mow the grass near his house, so this is why people want to buy mower, is this true?

do you mean now in The State of North Carolina, most mower are flail mower now??? Sorry for my bad English.

The government of the State of North Carolina is responsible to mow grass beside roads and highways in the state. The government of the State of North Carolina is using flail mowers to mow beside roads and highways.