New machine Today

[Kioti Tom]

:thumbsup: AH, the feeling of having a NEW tractor. Almost like with your first kid was born, I had that feeling last November when I got my NEW DS3510. I know what it is like.

Have fun with your tractor and enjoy.

Tom

 

[IslandTractor]

HST problem? What a bunch of hysterical old biddies!

The CK "problem" is failure to lubricate a linkage hinge. Do you trade in your house when a door squeaks?

The DK "problem" has been shown to be nothing but harmonics and solved, as it has in many other types of hydraulic equipment of various types and brands. In the current instance it was solved by substituting a flexible line for a short piece of metal line. A couple of disgruntled owners continue to grumble but no one has posted anything close to an actual failure that I can recall.

Is this seriously what you guys are labeling as a Kioti HST problem? I'm afraid if so that you are just a bunch of silly rumor mongers with about two hours of tractor experience between you. Seriously. That is ridiculous. Run, don't walk, to your local boutique JD or Kubota dealer where they will be happy to treat you like a rube and fleece you accordingly. Pick up some carnauba wax for your new tractors while you're there.

 

[murphy1244]

Who is this post for???? Must clean out the barn soon, I need room to remove the Backhoe. Anybody interested in old ford trucks? I believe they are 48's

 

[Coyote machine]

Here are my comments on the supposed " bad things about the HST". Don't concern yourself over it. If your tractor, for some reason develops a noise/squeal when moving in reverse then you can notify your selling dealer, and deal with the issue while under warranty. There are some parts that have been detailed by Kioti manufacturing,(Daedong), but to date nothing has been released to the public. They deal with a vibration which causes a harmonic dissonance and consequently a squeal like sound at times in SOME DK series tractors. A permanent solution beyond changing out a metal tube to a retrofit rubber hose aimed at treating the symptoms is in the works. When Kioti and Daedong have decided on the final method of treatment it will be released- to the best of my knowledge about this issue. Note: It is NOT an every tractor or every tractor in a particular series issue. Some are affected, most are NOT, and it's had ZERO effect on my tractor beyond generating an annoying noise at times, NOT constantly.
Best advice: go enjoy your new tractor and don't sweat the details.:thumbsup:

 

[murphy1244]

Here are my comments on the supposed " bad things about the HST". Don't concern yourself over it. If your tractor, for some reason develops a noise/squeal when moving in reverse then you can notify your selling dealer, and deal with the issue while under warranty. There are some parts that have been detailed by Kioti manufacturing,(Daedong), but to date nothing has been released to the public. They deal with a vibration which causes a harmonic dissonance and consequently a squeal like sound at times in SOME DK series tractors. A permanent solution beyond changing out a metal tube to a retrofit rubber hose aimed at treating the symptoms is in the works. When Kioti and Daedong have decided on the final method of treatment it will be released- to the best of my knowledge about this issue. Note: It is NOT an every tractor or every tractor in a particular series issue. Some are affected, most are NOT, and it's had ZERO effect on my tractor beyond generating an annoying noise at times, NOT constantly.
Best advice: go enjoy your new tractor and don't sweat the details.:thumbsup:

Thanks, I'll let you guys know what happens with the parts manual. I took it back today so they can find the tabs and binder for me, It does me no good the way it is now.

 

[schweizer]

Congratulations on your new tractor!

Question: did the black metal feet on the backhoe outriggers come standard? If not do you know where the dealer sourced them? Custom built? I have a DK45SE HST w/ backhoe. 350 hours on it now and it's wonderful. None of the HST squeal that some mentioned. But I wish I had better pads on the backhoe outriggers.

Marcus

 

[Coyote machine]

Congratulations on your new tractor!

Question: did the black metal feet on the backhoe outriggers come standard? If not do you know where the dealer sourced them? Custom built? I have a DK45SE HST w/ backhoe. 350 hours on it now and it's wonderful. None of the HST squeal that some mentioned. But I wish I had better pads on the backhoe outriggers.

Marcus

Those are supplied by some dealers, and came on my tractor too. Bigfoot is the brand, and if you don't have them they are excellent. I know because I have used them since 2009.
Here's a link to details, pics and 2006 pricing.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/.../77410-backhoe-stabilizer-pads-installed.html

 

[schweizer]

Thanks, CM! Great thread link. I like the one made by 4"x12" channel stock -- way cheaper.

 

[murphy1244]

Congratulations on your new tractor!

Question: did the black metal feet on the backhoe outriggers come standard? If not do you know where the dealer sourced them? Custom built? I have a DK45SE HST w/ backhoe. 350 hours on it now and it's wonderful. None of the HST squeal that some mentioned. But I wish I had better pads on the backhoe outriggers.

Marcus

Those feet are called Big Foot pads stock # a6ms11739 make is MS? Who ever that is cost 190.00 a pair.

 

[IslandTractor]

Those feet are called Big Foot pads stock # a6ms11739 make is MS? Who ever that is cost 190.00 a pair.

I put Big Foot pads on my CK20/KB2365 and it made a big difference. Kept the BH from pulling the tractor. However, with my Woods BH90x, the stock pads flip over to provide similar traction in soft soil. I'd also agree that bolting a couple of pieces of C channel on the stock pads would do the same thing as the very pricey Big Feet.

 

[Coyote machine]

Thanks, CM! Great thread link. I like the one made by 4"x12" channel stock -- way cheaper.

You're welcome! Good luck.:thumbsup:

 

[Mike476]

Is this seriously what you guys are labeling as a Kioti HST problem? I'm afraid if so that you are just a bunch of silly rumor mongers with about two hours of tractor experience between you. Seriously. That is ridiculous. Run, don't walk, to your local boutique JD or Kubota dealer where they will be happy to treat you like a rube and fleece you accordingly. Pick up some carnauba wax for your new tractors while you're there.

Uncharacteristic response IT. The OP asked a question and he was provided an answer.

Murphy1244, I'd followed the posts because I'm considering either a MF 1652 or DK50. After reading this I visited a couple of friends who also have horses and own Kioti's. They both have been EXTREMELY happy with their tractors, and both are worked very hard moving round and square bales, pasture / paddock management, snow removal, post holes etc and neither have experienced any problems. I haven't let the fact that some seem to be experiencing an issue scare me away from Kiotis, if you were to read just about any other manufacturers posts on here, including the MF forum, you will find similar posts highlighting similar concerns. While good information to be aware of, kind of the purpose of this forum, it's not something I personally am overly concerned about as a potential buyer.

End of the day, beautiful machine you have there, enjoy it and be sure to post some pics and comments. :thumbsup:

 

[murphy1244]

Thanx Mike, I heard about the HST thing before I bought. It seems very rare and my dealer said he had one it was a vibration problem. He will take my tractor back if I am not satisfied. So you can't beat that. The machine is a beast.

 

[kiotiken]

HST problem? What a bunch of hysterical old biddies!

The CK "problem" is failure to lubricate a linkage hinge. Do you trade in your house when a door squeaks?

Is this seriously what you guys are labeling as a Kioti HST problem? I'm afraid if so that you are just a bunch of silly rumor mongers with about two hours of tractor experience between you.

IT, you have absolutely no clue to what you're talking about with regards to the problem I've had with my HST.. Do you seriously think Kioti paid my dealer to split my tractor and replaced my HST and nobody thought to lubricate a linkage hinge? Geeee wizzz, if only you'd been around, think of all the time and money we all could have saved.

By the way, with the very long list of issues I've had (and still have) with my tractor, I've continued to endorse Kioti here on TBN, although my continuing issues with my Kioti cab may soon change that. I'm far from a rumor monger, I'm just saying I've almost had two new CK30's this year, the one I bought and the one they've built me with all the new parts they've had to replace.

 

[grainger12002]

sweet ride, Murph ! I need it when time permits .......................

 

[murphy1244]

sweet ride, Murph ! I need it when time permits .......................

Come on by and be my guest, bring fuel....

 

[IslandTractor]

My point, perhaps over exuberantly stated, was that there has been no big issue with Kioti HST drives. They are as reliable and trouble free as any made by the other manufactures. Search Kubota and JD forums and you'll find instances of HST troubles too. Anybody who has ever owned a piece of equipment knows that individual units may fail but to take an individual case and discuss it as a "Kioti" problem is wrong and misleading. How many CKs have had HST issues? Pretty rare based on reports here even though the CK HST has been on the market for about ten years now. Same for the much overblown DK harmonics issue. Would you say that Mercedes has a transmission issue because a few reports of early problems were posted?

We Kioti owners are not generally the most experienced CUT owners and for a significant number (?majority), this is either the first tractor or certainly first HST tractor we have owned. I think we need to be careful about spreading misinformation amongst ourselves. Instead of answering general questions by referring to one or two threads, how about putting things in context first. Anyone reading through the hundreds of often misinformed posts in these threads might well give up before finding out it was either a rare event, a particular dealer issue or much ado about almost nothing. There had been no significant problem.

I remain convinced that the only appropriate and useful answer to the general "Kioti HST problems" question is to point out that the overall experience as reflected in this forum as been that the trannys have been very reliable and comparable to those of other manufacturers. Put things in context before focussing on unique or individual experience.

And, I apologize for my crabby earlier response.

 

[chasemech]

Be careful if you install a woods Backhoe, Kioti will not honor warranty if something brakes due to the backhoe

 

[CJONE]

I believe there is some truth to it, and CJ, I do have one! Here is a rather long winded thread about my experience but it gets to the HST eventually, there are other threads here on TBN and my dealer has told me they've seen lots of it. I'm not sure if it's limited to the CK line or if it may be an issue in the DK line as well.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kioti-owning-operating/218090-my-new-ck-30-a.html

I understand there have been a few issues. I am not going to go into a huge explanation but to be breif, a hydrostatic system has to be CLEAN. ANY dirt WILL damage it. So if something is missed at the factory it will show up quick usually resulting in a pump/motor change and system flushed if done correctly. So everybody who is putting hoses on or fittings on the intake side of their hydrostat past the filter PLEASE be sure there is no residue,dirt,thread dope/tape in ANY connection or hose. And on the noise/cavitation issue. Every hydrostat that I have worked on [quite a few] that had actual cavitation noise failed almost immediatly. It cost 1 customer over 15k because of not listening to replace a $200 part. So I truly believe the noise is not cavitation but a harmonic. I really hope mine will not have it but I am confident in my dealer and myself if it does. So yes I agree with you there are problems but it is how it is handled that matters. Sounds like a few had bad dealers. CJ

 

[kiotiken]

... Anybody who has ever owned a piece of equipment knows that individual units may fail but to take an individual case and discuss it as a "Kioti" problem is wrong and misleading. How many CKs have had HST issues? Pretty rare based on reports here even though the CK HST has been on the market for about ten years now. ...

How many? I don't know, but my dealer said he'd done 5 or 6 before mine (I can't remember the exact number he told me). I've also answered several different threads asking about the same issue. Nobody, including myself, would ever think that the pedal returning to a neutral position could require replacing the transmission, but that's exactly what my dealer did after taking several pressure readings and it fixed the problem.

Here's an example. BTW, there's a lot more of them in the Bobcat forums
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/bobcat-tractors/169783-lazy-hydro-pedal.html

We Kioti owners are not generally the most experienced CUT owners and for a significant number (?majority), this is either the first tractor or certainly first HST tractor we have owned.

No this is not my first tractor and no it is not my first HST tractor. I'm not sure why you would think that people start out with Kioti, do they eventually graduate to something else? I'd say the opposite, my first tractor was JD, I looked at Kioti but was a little shy about an off brand. After learning more about tractors I realized Kioti is built like a brick $H1T house and isn't an off brand. I'd say your statement is a bit of a slight against Kioti owners, something I'd expect from the owner of another orange tractor.

I think we need to be careful about spreading misinformation amongst ourselves. Instead of answering general questions by referring to one or two threads, how about putting things in context first. Anyone reading through the hundreds of often misinformed posts in these threads might well give up before finding out it was either a rare event, a particular dealer issue or much ado about almost nothing. There had been no significant problem.

The question was asked and I'm not sure why you get the final judgement on what posts are misinformed or much ado about almost nothing. I was trying to keep my first post short for everybodies sake, and providing numbers and statistics on HST failures wasn't something I had time to research. The OP can use the search function of TBN as well as I can, so I didn't provide links to other threads about HST (plenty to chose from if you want to try the search function), I simply provided my experience. I'm sorry if that has no value, but I thought it was what the OP was asking.