New and New problem

[E Tractor]

hey, nice web site you guys and gals have here, I have a 2210 like I see lots of folks do and it has been running fine for the last 8 years except that the rings are worn and I have to put in oil a little each time I use it.
any way, I was cutting the grass on Friday when the the tractor seemed a bit sluggish and would pop every so often. Radiator was running fine, not hot. but the Oil stick/filler was extremely hot! Could not touch it at all. Seems to be a bunch of air coming out of it when running and spitting oil out when I have the stick out. Talked to the guy at EFC and he said blown head gasket. Seems right to me. I just never had a gasket go with the exhaust side, usually i just get water and oil mixed. What do you guys thing and has this happed to you? I needed to do the rings anyway so this will be my first time with piston, sleeves and rings. Should be fun.
thanks again,
Erick

 

[BruceR]

Welcome E Tractor,
I havn't had any headgasket trouble yet, but Buck from EFC knows his Yanmars.

Bruce

 

[1danny]

hey, nice web site you guys and gals have here, I have a 2210 like I see lots of folks do and it has been running fine for the last 8 years except that the rings are worn and I have to put in oil a little each time I use it.
any way, I was cutting the grass on Friday when the the tractor seemed a bit sluggish and would pop every so often. Radiator was running fine, not hot. but the Oil stick/filler was extremely hot! Could not touch it at all. Seems to be a bunch of air coming out of it when running and spitting oil out when I have the stick out. Talked to the guy at EFC and he said blown head gasket. Seems right to me. I just never had a gasket go with the exhaust side, usually i just get water and oil mixed. What do you guys thing and has this happed to you? I needed to do the rings anyway so this will be my first time with piston, sleeves and rings. Should be fun.
thanks again,
Erick

Maybe broke rings/ busted piston.

Danny

 

[E Tractor]

I pulled the heads today to see what was up before I order parts. the valves looked crusty and so did the pistons but not bad, Head gasket did not look bad. Hope to pull the pistons tomorrow to see how bad the rings are. It looks like i also need a new belt and I might as well flush the radiator and clean things up a bit. I did fire it up just before i took it apart. Started good and Idle was fine but when i reved it up a bit the RPMs went up and then down. Strange. Oh well, hope it is nothing too major.
later
Erick

 

[E Tractor]

drained the oil yesterday day and a friend of mine suggested i put some oil on the pistons to check for leak down. SO I put some tractor transmission fluid on the pistons and the oil is still there after 24 hours. I was sure it would leak down. Hopefully I can pull the oil pan and pop out the pistons. I will keep everyone informed.
later
Erick

 

[E Tractor]

Just pulled the pistons, first for me! Not too hard at all. Any way i believe I found the culprit. the oil ring on both of the pistons looked stuck in on one side and there is severe scoring and gouging on the pistons. Ouch!
Rod bearings were a bit scratchy also. Crank looked good. Just ordered parts and I will work on cleaning up things and getting the radiator boiled out in the mean time.
Question, is there any good way to get gasket material off that is really sealed for the oil pan? It is on the motor side.
thanks
Erick

 

[AchingBack]

Here is some good information on gasket removal.DIY - Gasket Removal -Standard Abrasives Motor Sports

 

[E Tractor]

thanks, nice link. Makes me feel a bit better on using the power tools with the correct attachments.
Erick

 

[E Tractor]

I will be puting in new piston sleeves, what is the easiest way of taking the old ones out?
Thanks,
Erick

 

[AchingBack]

I don't know about the easiest way, but here is one way:Figure 99. Checking cylinder sleeve for roundness. Click on figure #101

 

[E Tractor]

Well i found a hammer puller in Northern Tool that is doing the job of getting the piston sleeves out. I got one out and of course the other is a problem. ALso got the radiator boiled out at a shop. New parts are in just waiting on a manual and time to just dig in. If I find my camera cable I can upload some photos what I am doing. Also just picked up a big torque wrench that goes up to 250lbs. doe anyone off had know the head torque for a 2210?
thanks,
E

 

[E Tractor]

Well just about finished putting the motor back together. Hot day. Had to go in side a few times. It has been slow to put together with Family and other projects. Just got a zero turn mower used and it is fun to drive. I will end up selling my 72 inch finish mower later on. Anyway It has been pretty nice puting the motor back together. One tid bit that was helpful was that i used one of those chain oil filter wrenches to turn the crank shaft. Worked out well when I was adjusting the valves. Only thing i have left is clean up the oil pan cover and put radiator fluid in and check for leaks. Hope to get to it later next week.
have a great weekend.
Erick

 

[E Tractor]

Well I got it running! Hurray! I feel great about it. First time for pistons, rings and sleeves! It seems smoother and no smoke out of the muffler. I am keeping the side covers off for now just to monitor fluids and leaks. So far just a drip out of one of the bolts on the oil pan section. It sort of stopped after a few min of running. Hope fully it will hold. We shall see.
later
E

 

[AchingBack]

Congratulations. That is a great accomplishment.

 

[E Tractor]

Wel i got to use the tractor quite a bit this weekend. SO much more power than before. I thought it had good power but not it hardly bogs down at all. I will just loose traction before it starts to bog. I did have to put a little radiator stop leak in. I had bad radiator fluid back with I bought it in 2000 and it cracked around the freeze plug. I had to do a old trick a guy tought me with using a Dremel tool on the crack and then put some JB weld on it. It fixed 99% of the leak back then but i had to put some stop leak in to finish the weeping off. Now that i had cleaned up every thing this time it must have cleaned the weeping crack again. ANy way a bit of stop leak and now good to go. It sounds so different than before not so much clanking that I was use too.
later
e

 

[E Tractor]

http://www.tractorbynet.com/photos/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/54795

Photo of taking motor apart.
I tried to insert a photos but that did not work so i just sent the link to my photo gallery.
later
E

 

[MJPetersen]

I looked over your pics of the motor tear down and noticed that the old pistons had the oil control ring below the wrist pin and the new had them above--was there a design change somewhere along the way?

Mike

 

[E Tractor]

you know what I did not even see that! LOL! that is really weird. I wonder if it was a old design or just the wrong pistons were in it? Maybe someone will shed some light on that! LOL!
Erick

 

[1danny]

you know what I did not even see that! LOL! that is really weird. I wonder if it was a old design or just the wrong pistons were in it? Maybe someone will shed some light on that! LOL!
Erick

It had the right pistons, the pistons you used are for a YM2000, same size, no problem.

Danny

 

[E Tractor]

Thanks Danny for shedding some light on the subject. If the 2000 has similar size pistons I thought a 2210 would have bigger displacment? I know the 10 on the 2210 is for shuttle shift but was wondering what else is different in the motor? I am actully hopefully getting a ym2000 this week from a guy and hope to fix it up to sell.
later
Erick