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CWP37
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I'm going to look real close at a 5203 4WD when they come out in August.
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Ok, now you got me...! I'm gonna have to go have a long, look at the JD site and check out the 5203. I don't have any idea what that tractor is about...
Hp, size, transmission options --- nothin'??
How much is that puppy in the window...? Are they in the ballpark of the 4520-4720's?
AKfish
Hp, size, transmission options --- nothin'??
How much is that puppy in the window...? Are they in the ballpark of the 4520-4720's?
AKfish
Z-Michigan
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AKfish said:
If the current 5x03 and just discontinued 5x05 series are any guide, their pricing will be right around the same as a 4520-4720, which do seem to be about the most expensive CUTs made (though I think the Kubota L40's are intended to surpass in this regard).
HC-80
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I'm pretty happy with my 5303 and 512 FEL. It surely has been a big step up from the 9N. Now that school is out for the summer, I am finding a lot to do around the farm. If I could just keep my kids off of it, (not as passengers, I had to teach them to operate it) I might get to enjoy it more.
Unlike Chip in Texas, it has been too dry here in Indiana to get stuck.
Unlike Chip in Texas, it has been too dry here in Indiana to get stuck.
HC-80
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Chip, I forgot to thank you for your posts while I was tractor shopping. They helped steer me to the 5003 series, and they were interesting to read.
Jeff
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HC-80 said:
No kidding. Just south of Lansing Michigan, we've had less than 0.5 inch of rain in the last month.... normal would be over 2". My lawn is brown, my new grass hayfield is dormant, and only my alfalfa is looking at all ok. The corn in the area is unusually tall for July - up to 5' in places - but looks like it is starting to wilt. We need rain!
CWP37
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Okay, let's be honest. Getting a tractor stuck, 2WD or 4WD, usually has more to do with the operator than the tractor. I'm as guilty as any in that regard.
Here's my situation. The 5103 is a great tractor and will do anything you ask of it. It's a mowing machine and does well grading the drive and moving material. No complaints.
What I've learned is that there are some things that I want to do that it would be nice to have 4WD. I have a small pasture by a creek that I haven't been able to mow in 2 months b/c I can't get my tractor back there w/out getting stuck.
Considering I financed all of my equipment as long as I could, trading up to 4WD really won't cost me that much more per month. I already am paying $40 over the minimum, anyways.
Plus, I may find a deal on a 5105.
Here's my situation. The 5103 is a great tractor and will do anything you ask of it. It's a mowing machine and does well grading the drive and moving material. No complaints.
What I've learned is that there are some things that I want to do that it would be nice to have 4WD. I have a small pasture by a creek that I haven't been able to mow in 2 months b/c I can't get my tractor back there w/out getting stuck.
Considering I financed all of my equipment as long as I could, trading up to 4WD really won't cost me that much more per month. I already am paying $40 over the minimum, anyways.
Plus, I may find a deal on a 5105.
deerhunterf350
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CWP37 said:
OOUCH,
now that is what I call STUCK, I have been hearing about all the rain you guys have been getting , the ground down there must be like soup about now. This crazy weather here the last few years, it either rains and floods everything, or is so blame dry that nothing grows and have wild fires .The nice thing about 4wd, if you keep the mindset of stay in 2wd all the time, and the minute --- second that the wheels spin, stop , adjust load , put in 4wd and get the heck out of there and leave it for another day, usually will keep from getting in the situation of the picture you posted.
CWP37
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Back to the original subject, has anybody found any more info on the new 03 tractors? I'm really pondering a trade of my 5103 for a 5105 4WD or a new 5203 4WD. Anybody seen any pictures? Pricing? Specs?
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CWP37 said:
the only info i could find on them was on the JD website. here's the secret though, if you go through the residential part of the site to get to "utility tractors" it will show you the old versions but if you go to agricultural they have the updated versions of them. theres some specs, and a few pics explaining the new features on there. for instance, youll notice that the frame is even painted green on these, the tires are clasical R1's instead of the R5's(whatever that is they have on them now). you can build your own, and then get quotes from your local dealers. the comparison part, and parts catalog isnt up yet. just remember to go to agricultral and not residential. then scroll down just a little bit and click on tractors(youll know youre at the right page if you see a radar looking thing and it says "something big is coming to your farm). yure on the right track then so just click on tractors. thatll take you right to it. as soon as you come to the page of the 5003 series youll notice the new green frame on them. hope this helps! this is the only place ive found new info about these though.....
Taylork
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Here's the new 5103 w/4 wheel drive suggested pricing from the web page (I'm not so sure I like the 5103 going down in HP).
Notice the TWO prices, the base and the 4wd option towards the bottom:
BASE MACHINE
$14,366.00
FRONT AXLE
Description Price
2 Wheel Drive
Includes 9F/3R SyncReverser - 2R, 5R and 8R Syncrhonized Shuttle Shifts and Non-Synchronized Speed Shifts. In Base Price
4 Wheel Drive
Limited Slip MFWD Axle.
Anti-Wrapping Guards for MFWD Drive Shaft.
Includes 9F/3R SyncShuttle - Synchronized Shuttle and Speed Shifts. $4,330.00
Notice the TWO prices, the base and the 4wd option towards the bottom:
BASE MACHINE
$14,366.00
FRONT AXLE
Description Price
2 Wheel Drive
Includes 9F/3R SyncReverser - 2R, 5R and 8R Syncrhonized Shuttle Shifts and Non-Synchronized Speed Shifts. In Base Price
4 Wheel Drive
Limited Slip MFWD Axle.
Anti-Wrapping Guards for MFWD Drive Shaft.
Includes 9F/3R SyncShuttle - Synchronized Shuttle and Speed Shifts. $4,330.00
Z-Michigan
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RollingsFarms said:
Only posting because I too had wondered what tires the 2007 and prior year 5103...03 models came with. They are in fact R1 tires, though I notice the funky tread. I think they would be considered R1W tread, which is an R1 tread with a bit more tread depth intended for longer wear when used on roads. We're used to seeing R1 tires look a certain way but in fact there are some variations in the tread pattern that are still considered just plain ol R1.
Z-Michigan
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Taylork said:
So $18,696 total MSRP for a 4wd 5103. Based on a February 2007 quote, the 5105 with 4wd had an MSRP of $23,858, not including popular options like bigger tires, a loader valve, or telescoping draft links. In fact, the 2wd 5105 bare had an MSRP of $18989, or slightly more than a 4wd new 5103. However, I paid a little over $21k out the door with all those options, and also including winter engine kit (basically a manifold heater and HD battery), freight, setup, and filled tires. The 5105 has significantly more PTO hp than the new 5103 and, IMHO, a slightly more convenient transmission shifting design. I guess I would compare features carefully and see which one looks like a better bet on that basis.
CWP37
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I think I want that doggie in the window. Probably a 5203 MFWD w/ loader. I posted my 5103 on tractorhouse today.
CWP37
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Unless I can get a good deal on a 5105. I'll keep you all posted.
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CWP37 said:
so i take it you found what you were looking for on the JD website?
CWP37
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Yes, thanks. I always go in through the Ag section, but the initial 5003 page sill has an old 5003 pic, so I thought they hadn't updated it yet. I built a 5203 4WD with 522 loader. It came to just above $28k. I faxed it to my dealer this morning. We'll see what he comes up with.
CWP37
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Okay, here's the scoop:
Dealer will give me $15,000 for my trade (5103 w/ 512 loader). I will probably try to sell it myself if I go this route. Similar tractors are listed $17-19k on tractorhouse.
Basically, I can get a 5105 4WD w/ 522 loader or a new model 5103 w/ 522 loader for the same price of $24,900. If I trade, I think I'd probably look to a 5203, though.
Any comments?
Dealer will give me $15,000 for my trade (5103 w/ 512 loader). I will probably try to sell it myself if I go this route. Similar tractors are listed $17-19k on tractorhouse.
Basically, I can get a 5105 4WD w/ 522 loader or a new model 5103 w/ 522 loader for the same price of $24,900. If I trade, I think I'd probably look to a 5203, though.
Any comments?
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First blush --- looks like very competitive pricing. Got my attention! That will change some 40hp pto buying decisions for a number of folk's.
Couple of questions about the new 03 series... Looks like they have the standard transmission configuration that Deere made available on the older 870-1070 series --- a 3F, 1R snychro tranny with 3 ranges --- is that correct?
If so, I would think that would be an advantage over the 05 series. They are a 4F, 1R synchro tranny with only 2 ranges, I believe. There has been some discussion here on TBN that the lack of a "C" range was frustrating to some owner's. Complained that while baling or some heavy mowing work was either too slow or too fast and they were wishing for that middle gearing.
What are the HP ratings for the 03's? Why would Deere lower the horsepower? Doesn't seem like a good marketing move, IMO. Would further make the choice between the 990 or 4120 not as clear as it currently is for the 05 series.
Have to go have a look at the hydraulic GPM specs. And other options; i.e. 3rd-4th SCV? Draft control sensing 3 pt?
That said, this new series might be the "cat's pajamas" for all those small farmer's and landowner's who want a basic, git R done, machine!
AKfish
Couple of questions about the new 03 series... Looks like they have the standard transmission configuration that Deere made available on the older 870-1070 series --- a 3F, 1R snychro tranny with 3 ranges --- is that correct?
If so, I would think that would be an advantage over the 05 series. They are a 4F, 1R synchro tranny with only 2 ranges, I believe. There has been some discussion here on TBN that the lack of a "C" range was frustrating to some owner's. Complained that while baling or some heavy mowing work was either too slow or too fast and they were wishing for that middle gearing.
What are the HP ratings for the 03's? Why would Deere lower the horsepower? Doesn't seem like a good marketing move, IMO. Would further make the choice between the 990 or 4120 not as clear as it currently is for the 05 series.
Have to go have a look at the hydraulic GPM specs. And other options; i.e. 3rd-4th SCV? Draft control sensing 3 pt?
That said, this new series might be the "cat's pajamas" for all those small farmer's and landowner's who want a basic, git R done, machine!
AKfish
