New 400X loaders

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yellowsocks93

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Wow I could not believe my eyes when I had to get a rotary cutter off the semi today. There on the truck was a new 400X loader. Looked very well built more than my 430 loader. I like the curved arms.

Anyone use one yet? I would have liked to get this one on my 990 but I suppose the curve to the boom would make it look out of place. Nice loader and a new mounting system it looks like. Now square masts on our tractors now but they appear to be round. 4000 series owners trade in while you can! Not kidding!
 
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I was told by my dealer that the new loaders will fit on the prior models... so I think I'll hold off on the trade for now. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Even if it wouldn't fit I think I can live without the new loader for a spell - seems we've gotten caught up in a style race now that NH lead the way with the new look. Bottom line for me is the "old style" look still moves dirt and rocks quite effectively.

I will admit one thing though - I drive by the local dealer all the time - it's so close it's unavoidable - as we were going by last weekend my wife asked me if I was regretting getting one when I did... I said no... then I jestured maybe just a little. I do think the new look is very nice /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.
 
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Does your Dealer have the Deere Days signs up? Ours is July 10th.
 
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I can vouch that a 400X fits on older ones as there is a 4600 at the dealer with a 400X installed. I guess they thought the tractor would sell faster with a loader.
(and it will too.) /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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Not that I've noticed - But I may have to swing in and look. I've been drooling over some new mowers... I have to admit I'm an addict to that "New Tractor smell".

What are "Deere Days" - anything special as far as deals or giveaways?
 
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Come on, yellow, what's the punch line, I mean that thing is NEW and all!!!

Just funnin' sure sounds like a nice loader, be interesting to see how it compares to the LA's...
 
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Deere Days is just one time during the year that your dealer showcases all the new ag equipment like combines and stuff. It also gives you the customer the chance to meet everyone in the shop and at the dealership so you get to know the dealership a little better. We are having a lunch in the afternoon then there will be dinner later on for the well known customers who we have sent invites to. I don't know if dealerships will be having any rebates during this time.
 
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"Come on, yellow, what's the punch line, I mean that thing is NEW and all!!!"

Rockyridge,

If your talking about my loader yes it is 2 years old but used 3x per year about so it is like new but the fit and finish looked better on the 400x than mine. I priced a 400x out for 3,200 but I can't find loader brackets that will work on the 70 and 90 series. I think the 400x will only fit on the 4000 and TEN series machines. And the hydraulic hoses on my machine are opposite of yours so that is why I had to re plumb the sides of the masts when I switch machines.

The New Holland won't hold a candle in the wind now to the new Deere loader! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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The Deere dealer here has a new 4000 Twenty in stock with FEL and either MMM or RFM (I don't remember - never stopped in /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif ). I also saw the new 400x on one of the 4000 Tens that was sitting out. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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Don't mean to hijack, but I can't find the lifting specs on the 400x loaders. Are they the same as the 460's or different? I like the new look however it looses the rugged machine look in favor of the stylish look. Still d'like to have one though.

Alex
JD 2210, 62 mmm, 54 rb
 
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I have no info on the new loaders. We have not yet got any in on brochures in our brochure rack. I don't know if we have info for the salesmen yet!
 
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<font color="red"> The New Holland won't hold a candle in the wind now to the new Deere loader! </font>

<font color="black"> Just because JD now has a curved arm loader does not mean it is a better (or worse) loader. It just means they put curved arms on the loader.

Now take a seriously objective look at the loaders. The NH loaders, with the bucket down, have the arms so steeply raked down that the vast majority of the bucket is visible to the operator. The arms fall steeply toward the ground behind the bucket and are well below the line of the hood.

Take a look at the JD loader and the curved arms seem to almost follow the hood curve, with the bucket hidden behind the curved arms. The arms are ever so slightly curved, and are actually above the line of the hood instead of well below the line of the hood as on the NH design.

So the visibility advantage goes to the LA loaders from NH. As for capacities, etc, I can honestly say I don't have a clue. The NH loaders are available on their Boomer class machines which start at 18 hp and go up to something around 50hp. I might be wrong, but the JD loaders are designed for the middle & larger end of that scale so it would only be logical to assume when the specs are published the capacity portion of the debate will be settled. But that then beckons a question. What is more important (and I suspect the answer will vary from user to user) to see the object you pick up? or to have the capacity to lift up more of it? </font>

What is the better design? I favor the NH design. What is the better loader? I suppose that depends on the question I pose in the previous paragraph.
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In the picture, draw a line from the top of the bucket to the place where you think your head will be. I suspect that for most of us under 6'5" tall, the loader arms will still be blocking the view of the bucket.
 

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I only said that statement since we are in the JD forum. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I would hope JD blows away the competition as the more we sell the more I have to do at work!
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I only said that statement since we are in the JD forum. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I would hope JD blows away the competition as the more we sell the more I have to do at work! )</font>

<font color="black"> Silly me, I try to be objective in all the forums. </font>
 
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Alex - I have a hunch in the long run the only meaningful difference between the 460 and 400X loaders will be the look and possibly easier to reach grease zerks on the 400X.

The basic specs have already been published here and there appears to be no meaningful difference in reach, lift height, or lift capacity. If I recall the 400X has the edge in almost all spec areas - but it's by just fractions of an inch, or a percent or two of weight. On paper anyway nothing you'd likely notice in use.

I agree with Bob that there does not appear to be any significant advantages to the curved arm loader in visibility (I'd same the same for the 'curved' hood.) Connect the dots between your eye height and the ground - I would be very surprised if there is an improvment (but most likely no disadvantage either).

Until someone parks a 4710/460 next to a 4x20/400X and climbs around on both it will be guesswork.
 
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If you really look at those new loader arms, the lower portion of the arms actually appear to be straight, but the steel tapers and gets narrower, it really doesn't seem to curve at all. The upper portion of the arm has a very minor curve.

I wonder if it really is just cosmetic? It might provide a bit more visibility than the old style, but it is certainly not a revolutionary design advance.
 
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I saw the loader up close on a pallet in Paris, Tx. I commented to the salesman that it didn't look all that different and he pointed out that it was made of cast steel which made it much heavier. Would that not make it stronger, also?
 
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The local dealer has a 4610 and 4710 with the 400X loaders. They don't look to bad. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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I don't know about stronger structurally - but I guess the hydraulics aren't that much improved. My dealer said the marginal gain in lift capacity was outweighed by the increased weight of the arms/bucket... little or no net gain... but it sure looks purty. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 

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