New 3XXX series ?

[EuroYanmar]

Hi gentlemen,

After the arrival of the new 2XXX CUT I wonder if there will be soon a new release of 3XXX series tractors.
Anybody has got some informations about it ?

Thanks for help,

Phil

 

[eagle107]

Hi gentlemen,

After the arrival of the new 2XXX CUT I wonder if there will be soon a new release of 3XXX series tractors.
Anybody has got some informations about it ?

Thanks for help,

Phil

My JD dealer stated to me that an announcement is suppose to be made in the fall/end of year about the new 3000 and 4000 series tractors coming out next year. That is the rumor anyways. The other rumor is that one model in each series could be outfitted with a gas engine as a cheaper option due to the increase cost of the diesel engines being outfitted with the new particle filters.

 

[EuroYanmar]

My JD dealer stated to me that an announcement is suppose to be made in the fall/end of year about the new 3000 and 4000 series tractors coming out next year. That is the rumor anyways. The other rumor is that one model in each series could be outfitted with a gas engine as a cheaper option due to the increase cost of the diesel engines being outfitted with the new particle filters.

Thanks eagle107 for the info. Here one JD dealer told me the new Deere models for EC will be introduced to dealers at the end of August in the German Deere factory in the city of Manheim. What models ? I don't know....I keep waiting. About the gas model it may be reserved to the US market because the gas prices here are very high....

Phil

 

[jd670]

I'll be at my dealer tomorrow. I'll ask him. Seems like he told that they will debut in august also.

 

[JDTank]

I think a gas engine would be a huge mistake.

Gasoline needs to just die already. It is very inefficient compared to a diesel engine. People still worry about diesel reliability, those days are long gone. Diesels engines today are extremely reliable, and last practically forever. A gasoline powered 3000 series would suck fuel like no tomorrow, especially running a hydro system!

My opinion is that I cannot see John Deere doing something like that, because quite frankly it is a horrible idea. Sure, the initial cost might be a small amount cheaper, but do you know how many of those would be traded in on diesels? Wait until the owners have to put 500 liters of fuel in every month. They would have thousands upon thousands of returns and trade-ins due to high operating cost.

 

[JD6400NZ]

Ohhh **** yeah guys, gonna go buy a 30k + machine to cut the grass!!!

 

[eagle107]

I think a gas engine would be a huge mistake.

Gasoline needs to just die already. It is very inefficient compared to a diesel engine. People still worry about diesel reliability, those days are long gone. Diesels engines today are extremely reliable, and last practically forever. A gasoline powered 3000 series would suck fuel like no tomorrow, especially running a hydro system!

My opinion is that I cannot see John Deere doing something like that, because quite frankly it is a horrible idea. Sure, the initial cost might be a small amount cheaper, but do you know how many of those would be traded in on diesels? Wait until the owners have to put 500 liters of fuel in every month. They would have thousands upon thousands of returns and trade-ins due to high operating cost.

I think your viewpoint is a little extreme regarding a potential for a gas engine option. I while I like a bigger diesel engine and the benefits of a diesel engine in a tractor as much as you, I think a gas engine might have some merit. First, a lot of people who own compact tractors do not run them many hours and use them for lighter tasks, such as mowing grass, light brush hogging and light load work. Then after 10 years, a large number of these tractors will only have 600 to 800 hours and will be traded in, which is well under what a diesel engine is rated for. Second, many tractors in the past had large gas engines and they ran strong. Today, large gas engines have made some major technological advancements that allows them to provide a lot of torque and have become very fuel efficient. If many people would like to continue to have a newer/updated large tractor but can no longer afford the cost of the diesel engines with DPFs, then what option do they have? If Deere can put in a robust gas engine in their tractor line and make them (hypothetically) $3,000 cheaper then the current interim tier 4 diesels currently being offered in the 3000 and 4000 series, then that might a very good alternative for many people. Of course you will have difference maintenance issues with gas engines, but the idea might not be as horrible as you say. At this point, it does not matter though because this gas engine option is nothing but a rumor.

 

[tduby]

the fact is with all the ew emissions tech on diesels they aren't as reliable nor as fuel effcient as they use to be plus add in the higher intial cost gas egines start to make a lot of sense. plus not sure about ever where but here gas has been 10 percet cheaper than diesel. I'm sure large comercial users who need all the power will still consider te dieeel but for a home owner who needs a big mower and wants the advantages a CUT offers its a great way to save money.

 

[tomd999]

Hiya,

Gasoline has been used in the past for tractors however, back then gasoline was made of gasoline, not a mix with ethanol.

As the vast majority of sub and compact tractors sit in a cozy garage for the most of their lives, modern US gasoline might very well be the worst fuel option for them. Sitting idle is what causes all the issues with E10 fuel.

A far better solution for non Diesel sub and compact tractors would be propane. Of course, since propane makes about 15% less HP than straight gasoline, and Diesels make about 20% more power per gallon than gasoline, the engine would have to be roughly 50% larger displacement to have the same output as the Diesel. Being 50% larger and taking into account the less BTU per gallon, the propane fueled engine would use about 50% more fuel per hour to perform the same work as the Diesel.

My 2 cents and don't kill me for my math, I took "review mathematics" my last hear in HS LOL

Tom

 

[EuroYanmar]

Considering the huge amount of diesel cars in France and the equally huge public health problem to come originated in diesel particles our governement is now engaging a strong policy of increasing the number of gas cars and decreasing the one of diesel cars.
Of course, what is true for cars may not be true for tractors where traction power is essential.....
I guess a gas tractor would have zero chances to be sold here in EC.
For info, at the last SIMA (international fair for farm machinery) John Deere introduced a big tractor (6210R) that could run on diesel and on vegetal oil.
Farmers can use their own colza crop to fill their tank ...

Here is the beast : SIMA 2013 : Tracteur polycarburant - Du gnr et/ou des huiles végétales dans le réservoir - YouTube

If the oil prices increase on the international market, Deere will be ready.


Phil

 

[jd670]

The problem is everytime we, as consumers, take steps to be more efficient and save money, the government just makes up another tax. Or tells us we can't do that anymore.

 

[JDTank]

Considering the huge amount of diesel cars in France and the equally huge public health problem to come originated in diesel particles our governement is now engaging a strong policy of increasing the number of gas cars and decreasing the one of diesel cars.
Of course, what is true for cars may not be true for tractors where traction power is essential.....
I guess a gas tractor would have zero chances to be sold here in EC.
For info, at the last SIMA (international fair for farm machinery) John Deere introduced a big tractor (6210R) that could run on diesel and on vegetal oil.
Farmers can use their own colza crop to fill their tank ...

Here is the beast : SIMA 2013 : Tracteur polycarburant - Du gnr et/ou des huiles v馮騁ales dans le r駸ervoir - YouTube

If the oil prices increase on the international market, Deere will be ready.


Phil

With DPF's and urea injection, modern diesel engines are virtually harmless. The diesel engines sold today in Europe burn so clean, you could stick your face in the smoke stack and suffer virtually no health problems, unless you did that for 40 years straight. The trade off comes in reliability and cost of operation for the owner. Diesels engines today have never burned cleaner, but they have never been more unreliable and expensive to operate/maintain.