Need Help ID this Nut & Bolt

[W8BYA]

Howdy group. I came across a very large number of these new nuts & bolts but am not familiar with the stamping on the head. I suspect they are metric as the bolt measures exactly 3 cm in length and a standard 5/16-18 coarse will almost thread on but does not. I read it as 3F on one side then 8.8 across from that. Looks like a heavy Chromate coating for corrosion resistance.

 

[ptsg]

It's an M8x1.25 30 mm long bolt. The 8.8 is the grade for metric bolts.

In the land of metric, we don't even bother to mention the pitch (1.25 in this case), only if we actually want a fine thread or something. So we would just call it M8x30 mm bolt.

 

[JethroB]

It's an M8x1.25 30 mm long bolt. The 8.8 is the grade for metric bolts.

In the land of metric, we don't even bother to mention the pitch (1.25 in this case), only if we actually want a fine thread or something. So we would just call it M8x30 mm bolt.

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Ok, I understand the 8.8 grade part, but how did you know M8x30mm? From the markings?

 

[ptsg]

Ok, I understand the 8.8 grade part, but how did you know M8x30mm? From the markings?

The thread diameter and pitch of the M8 and the 5/16 bolts or nuts are very close to each other. It will actually work if you force it there, but you may end up with a slight mix between a 5/16 and a M8 thread.

As far as the length, the provided metioned in the first post.

 

[W8BYA]

It's an M8x1.25 30 mm long bolt. The 8.8 is the grade for metric bolts.

In the land of metric, we don't even bother to mention the pitch (1.25 in this case), only if we actually want a fine thread or something. So we would just call it M8x30 mm bolt.

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Hey that's great, thank you. A boat load of grade-5 bolts I can live with. Am I close in assuming the 3F marking is for 3 cm? But what about the F marking?

 

[ptsg]

Hey that's great, thank you. A boat load of grade-5 bolts I can live with. Am I close in assuming the 3F marking is for 3 cm? But what about the F marking?

That would be a manufacturers marking/ID, so not really important.

 

[AWSubie]

3F is Fontana Luigi

 

[W8BYA]

3F is Fontana Luigi

Darn it ! I was hoping these bolts were Ferrari or maybe Lamborghini

Thank you for letting me know. Fascinating all that information can be easily put on the head of a bolt.

 

[Root Cause]

There are times when English and metric overlap. It can be dangerous.
There are lots of ways to size a bolt. At my Lowes or ACE hardware stores have these and you can buy them as well.

Keep something close by. It will save you time and money the first time you force a bolt only to find out it won't hold and the threads are stripped.

I have a set of these in my tool bag.

 

[W8BYA]

There are times when English and metric overlap. It can be dangerous.
There are lots of ways to size a bolt. At my Lowes or ACE hardware stores have these and you can buy them as well.

Keep something close by. It will save you time and money the first time you force a bolt only to find out it won't hold and the threads are stripped.

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I have a set of these in my tool bag.
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Both of these are great ideas. Normally I would go to my local fastenal (which is just 5 min away) but they have closed there main door, open only for P/U's etc. What a shame as they are a wonderful source.

 

[Redlands Okie]

It's an M8x1.25 30 mm long bolt. The 8.8 is the grade for metric bolts.

In the land of metric, we don't even bother to mention the pitch (1.25 in this case), only if we actually want a fine thread or something. So we would just call it M8x30 mm bolt.

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Thanks for that post and picture. I had no idea on the tensile strength of the metric 8.8 being so much lower than a grade 8 SAE bolt. Seems the metric is about a grade 3 in SAE. Need a grade 10.9 metric to equal a SAE grade 8.

 

[Redlands Okie]

Hey that's great, thank you. A boat load of grade-5 bolts I can live with. Am I close in assuming the 3F marking is for 3 cm? But what about the F marking?

Keep in mind that according to that chart the metric 8.8 has way less strength than a SAE grade 5. More like a grade 3.

 

[WranglerX]

Keep in mind that according to that chart the metric 8.8 has way less strength than a SAE grade 5. More like a grade 3.

Think you need to go back and read chart some more..... Actually the grade 8.8 metric is a bit stronger than SAE grade 5...

 

[W8BYA]

Thanks. I ended up with a lifetime supply (plus some) so they are what they are. I am glad they are of good quality. Next I need to find a new home for about 500 of them.

 

[Renze]

Howdy group. I came across a very large number of these new nuts & bolts but am not familiar with the stamping on the head. I suspect they are metric as the bolt measures exactly 3 cm in length and a standard 5/16-18 coarse will almost thread on but does not. I read it as 3F on one side then 8.8 across from that. Looks like a heavy Chromate coating for corrosion resistance.
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Interesting... when i get my hands on imperial fasteners, i measure them up in mm, divide that by 25.4 and then try to find how that translates to a fractional dimension...
Then i set my caliper to 25.4mm and count the threads per inch.

When i have metric bolts of a non standard pitch, i count ten windings and measure the mm. Dividing the measurent by 10 andi know the pitch.


To be honest, i dont save imperial bolts: I dont know of any piece of equipment imported to Europe, that uses them so its pointless to save them. AFAIK since the 60s all English produce (Ford, Perkins, IHC) adopted Metric.