Yes, I am very familiar with the expression, however, I was referring to what the saying is in relationship to. The brass monkey is the term for the device that the cannon balls were stacked on when they were on the deck of the ship. When it got cold, the brass monkey would "contract" enough that the balls would then roll off of it, hence the saying "cold enough to freeze the balls of of a brass monkey.".... Now, for those of you that have a different perceived notion of the saying, consider yourselves now educated to the origins of the phrase.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif