Moving the air intake

[woodlandfarms]

I would like opinions on moving the air intake on my Deutz PT from the rear, where it sucks all the dirt the tractor can throw up, toward the front, by the oil filtering system.

It looks to me like you just swap but I wanted to make sure it would not effect fuel/air flow and that sort of stuff.

And do you think it would help? My poor filter is pretty mucked up just from driving on my dusty dirt road for a day.

Carl

 

[Bob999]

I would like opinions on moving the air intake on my Deutz PT from the rear, where it sucks all the dirt the tractor can throw up, toward the front, by the oil filtering system.

It looks to me like you just swap but I wanted to make sure it would not effect fuel/air flow and that sort of stuff.

And do you think it would help? My poor filter is pretty mucked up just from driving on my dusty dirt road for a day.

Carl

Carl,

Are you talking about combustion air--which is taken in via the filter, or cooling air for the oil cooler which is pulled in via the fan mounted to the alternator shaft?

I have not personally had any problem with combustion air and the filter clogging. I do have to pay attention to the oil cooler because it tends to clog over time.

The one issue I would be concerned about would be heat--and want to ensure that the temperture of the air was not increased.

In either case it is unclear to me what can be "swapped".

 

[woodlandfarms]

Sorry... Lemme see if I can find a picture....

Hmm. I can't None that shows the intake manifold. Maybe you got one Ken an understand what I am asking? I want to move the intake air filter for the fuel injection to the front of the manifold port. On the Deutz, the manifold is a long tube with what appear to me to be identical ends, one covered, one with the air filter attached....

I would also love to move and increase the size of the engine oil cooler but that ain't gonna happen any time soon..

 

[Sedgewood]

Sorry... Lemme see if I can find a picture....

Hmm. I can't None that shows the intake manifold. Maybe you got one Ken an understand what I am asking? I want to move the intake air filter for the fuel injection to the front of the manifold port. On the Deutz, the manifold is a long tube with what appear to me to be identical ends, one covered, one with the air filter attached....

I would also love to move and increase the size of the engine oil cooler but that ain't gonna happen any time soon..

Will this suffice? It's of my 1845 but I dare say the layout of the intake manifold is similar and most likely it's a simple swap ends. Simple for you maybe, but my 1845 presents problems with stuff in the way of a forward mounted air filter.

Sedgewood

 

[Bob999]

Ok, now I understand.

The air filter housing is plastic. Swapping it to the opposite end of the intake manifold would put it pretty close to the exhaust--I would think that would be undesirable--because of the heat and because of the increased intake of exhaust fumes. On the 1845 I don't think there is enought space to swap--even if the filter were turned up. Perhaps the space is different in the 1850.

 

[woodlandfarms]

I also intend to re-rout the exhaust, continue the pipe back to the rear and then out. In hopes of reducing the noise this beast makes... It is too loud to not have headphones, but then it is too quiet to hear your brush hog bog down...

Carl

 

[SnowRidge]

The last time I was at Tazewell, one of the PT employees was using a red machine (a 1430, I think) to do some parking lot work of some sort. I was struck by how quiet it was.

I lived and worked with air/oil cooled Deutz gen sets for three years, and the noise level was phenomenal. I expected the Deutz powered PTs to be likewise, but the one I saw and heard seemed no louder than my PT-425. Of course, it could have just been the angle and distance. It was about 100 feet from me, and its back end was facing my direction.

 

[Bob999]

I also intend to re-rout the exhaust, continue the pipe back to the rear and then out. In hopes of reducing the noise this beast makes... It is too loud to not have headphones, but then it is too quiet to hear your brush hog bog down...

Carl

I use ear muffs that allow me to hear the mower but filter out louder sounds. They are not cheap but work well.

Pro-Ears - Advanced Electronic Hearing Protection / Sound Enhancement

 

[SnowRidge]

I use simple inexpensive shooting muffs that I have had for years. They work fine. I only use them for mowing.

 

[ponytug]

A friend, who lives in Austria and is interested in things mechanical, told me that the primary goal in the engine redesign of the FL2011 engines was to meet European noise limits, not their emissions limits. Apparently, this is why the oil cooling runs around the base of the cylinder skirt.

On the other hand, the gensets use several different engine families. I can imagine that you were alot closer, and probably in a relatively enclosed space.

Deutz makes several variants on the muffler, one of which would point straight back; originally, I had hoped I could just flip the existing one 180 degrees, but I think that it would interfere with the intake housing.

Having thought about this for my machine, I think that one might need to relocate the hydraulic filter a little, but maybe not.

Carl, are you going to add the turbo at the same time?

All the best,

Peter

The last time I was at Tazewell, one of the PT employees was using a red machine (a 1430, I think) to do some parking lot work of some sort. I was struck by how quiet it was.

I lived and worked with air/oil cooled Deutz gen sets for three years, and the noise level was phenomenal. I expected the Deutz powered PTs to be likewise, but the one I saw and heard seemed no louder than my PT-425. Of course, it could have just been the angle and distance. It was about 100 feet from me, and its back end was facing my direction.

 

[SnowRidge]

On the other hand, the gensets use several different engine families. I can imagine that you were alot closer, and probably in a relatively enclosed space.

Not to mention that was over 30 years ago. The gen sets were in their own metal building. They were rated at 60 KVA, and at least one was running at all times.

It was LOUD in there.

 

[woodlandfarms]

Peter.. Oh yeah, the turbo. I can only imagine the overheating issues that I would face... And the money...

We had a stupid and very expensive situation happen this week in LA. A pipe broke while we we up north. The entire house flooded for more than 24 hours (we are on a slab so the house turned into a giant bathtub). The house is all hardwood floors so now it looks like an indoor skate park with all the warping. It is insured, but we have to move out for over two months and I need to stay in LA for work so no going back home. ... They found a trace of mold so now the whole house has to be gutted (my house in Washington is held together with mold near as I can tell).

Today the movers are here.. I am burying myself in the back office until the last minute...
Bleck is all I can say. So I look at google earth and through Iphoto at pictures of my tractor and my property and I dream, dream, dream....

Carl

 

[ponytug]

Funny story. My first Deutz experience was a tractor at a summer camp where I was working. It was ~80-100Hp.

We had the mother of all storms come through, spawning 70+ tornados in the area and ripping out power. With 55 kids and staff, we had to keep the refrigerators and freezers running, so we borrowed a PTO driven genset from one of the staff who happened to live where they had power. For two days, we had the tractor running for hours at a time to provide lights for evening activities and to keep the food cold. It was amazingly loud.

At dinner, it occurred to me that although the genset needed 540rpm to run, and the tractor had a 540 PTO setting, it was a European tractor that had both a 540 & a 1000rpm PTO option. So, I could shift it into the 1000rpm (European) PTO setting and throttle it back until the PTO was running at 540.

It must have cut the noise level by two thirds, not to mention the fuel savings. I'd have felt smart, if it hadn't taken me two loud evenings to think of it.

The power didn't come on for a week, so we ran the tractor a fair bit.

Not to mention that was over 30 years ago. The gen sets were in their own metal building. They were rated at 60 KVA, and at least one was running at all times.

It was LOUD in there.

 

[sandman2234]

I had a vacant house waiting closing after being verbally sold to a friend. Some vandals broke into the house and cut the Queen sized waterbed in the master bedroom. The house also had wood floors over concrete, with some parts covered again by carpet. All of the floors lifted (Parquet squares), and since the house was vacant with the air off, mold got rampant. Six months later they finished the house and since my friend had waited patiently with no flack about the "damages" to the house, I agreed to sell it to him at the original price.(Which was on the low end anyway) He literally got a new house for his money. I probabbly could have put it on the market for $30K more than we agreed, but never considered it. He made out, and I kept a good friend.
If you were doing the floor removal (which your not) I would offer to send you my floor stripping machine. It removes wood and tile floors faster than 3 people can haul the debris out of the way.
David from jax

 

[woodlandfarms]

Thanks for the offer. I felt pretty alone in all of this, but as the story gets out I hear happens a bit more than I thought.

A director whom I work for told me of his vacation house in the Caribbean that had a pipe break and no one found it for 7 months. The stories he told of having mold growing the way it was made me shudder...

Then of course, there is the other story from another director who built his dream home in Jackson Hole. He and his agent and their respective families decide to fly up. At the last moment the director has to stay for a couple additional days in LA, but his agent flies up. They get into the house, and realize that the pipes have frozen. The agent calls the director, the director says this has happened in the past, just go downstairs in the basement, there is a propane torch. Just run the flame along the pipe close to the wall it exits and it will break free.

3 hours later the director gets a call from his alarm company, followed about 5 minutes later from his agent, then from the police and fire department....

Burned the house to the ground...

Agent and director still friends.

Anyway, hijacking the thread.

 

[sandman2234]

The air intake where it enters the turbo on my JD2555 is pointed to the rear. A simple boot makes it elbow across the motor, and a 4' long pipe hooks into the air filter casing in front of the radiator. As long as you allow for sufficent volume, bringing air from a different source isn't a big deal. Remember the old days when "cowl induction" was the thing? Just a different way of getting the air from a different location.
I can see it now, mounted on the flat hood of a PT, you have added the condenser from an automobile plumbed to your hydraulic lines for added cooling, and a roll cage to protect it, made out of hollow tubing that brings in already filtered air from high up above the normal dust cloud that the turbo'ed engine needs to do the additional work you have found for it in the field of blackberry distruction.
If I had a PT and wanted to move the air filter or add hydraulic cooling capacity, I don't think it would be a really big problem, but alas, I don't own one, yet.
David from jax

 

[MossRoad]

My old IH had a flattened plastic snorkel that sat above the radiator to suck cool air from the front of the tractor. That went into several 4" rubber elbows and metal pipes for several feet before entering the air filter box, then a couple more feet to the side draft carb.

 

[Marks481]

A pipe broke while we we up north. The entire house flooded for more than 24 hours

These kind of horror stories have always prompted me to shut off the inside water main (which is easy since it is a ball valve on the line coming out of the wall in the basement, not messing with the valve in the box in the lawn) whenever we leave home for more then just the day... as well as opening all circuit breakers except for a couple vital ones (refrigerator, etc). I think my wife probably thinks I am a bit paranoid for some reason...

 

[woodlandfarms]

Absolutely, We completely close down the house up north. Circuit breakers, water, the whole nine yards.

But LA has some 50's plumbing issues that were not resolved in the 1998 repipe. To water certain parts of the yard the water must be left on to the entire house. SUCK is all I can say...

Carl

 

[sandman2234]

I would think that a little bit of pipe and your new trencher would fix having to leave the water on in the house.
I never shut mine of, and will probably live to regret it.
David from jax