Moving dead cars

[RichNJKubota]

I need a way to lift the rear end of a dead car and pull it around with the tractor(Kubota L4310). I am thinking of something like a 3pt pallet lift with hooks welded on for chains that would wrap around the rear axle on both sides. Any ideas?
Right now I pull the cars with a chain but then I need someone to steer the car.
Thanks,
Rich

 

[markie61]

When you say "dead", do you mean you don't care if you dent it or not? Or do you mean just not running and you wish to preserve the body and bumper?
Mark

 

[RichNJKubota]

Most of the time I need to move cars that need repair and are not running. Therefore I don't want to do any damage. I do however need to move parts cars and some damage to the underside, etc. is OK.
I'd REALLY like to be able to lift cars using a huge forklift machine like the junk yards. But that would be just for fun

Rich

 

[Soundguy]

Keep in mind that the farther you are away from the back of the tractor, the less you can lift... ( lever principle.. )

Soundguy

 

[Richard]

I guess I'd be of no help then...

Year or so ago, some moron torched his car (intentinoally) in the woods and it was a "dead" car /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

TVA 'hired' me to evacuate it.

I took my trusty grade 100 alloy chain with a slip hook, wrapped ALL the way around the hood/fenders/underside of car and put other end onto the backhoe bucket of Brutus.

I then commenced to pick up the entire front end of the car, letting the rear wheels drag (and at times, over small inclines had the ENTIRE car in the air)

I putted out the 1/4 mile of the woods down the dirt road and was done.

And yes, the car WAS worse for the wear

Oh, and I'd had the foresite to think that a loader bucket full of 1 3/4 yards of dirt might be advantageous... it was

/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[SPIKER]

I just this week moved out a dead car which aws burnt, picked up rear with ease using chain and had chain over the bucket, and Drove the car out with rear end up and fornt wheels going straight. didn't have to move it far and being burnt wasn't much left to worry about weight.

My old tempo was out teaching teen age daughters driving lessons in back feild, grass was a bit too dry and high, set it on fire under car after we parked for a min or two, then grass caught tank & lines on fire rest was history in less than 15 min wasn't much left. anyhow rolled OK with just rims left. used FEL on a JINMA 284 to lift car, probably could have lifted hole car but didn't try.

Only thinng I could think of would be a 3 pt pallit type lift which has a grab spots rolled so they fit over/arounf car wheels like a wrecker. then lift rear snd, but you would need a good sized tractor most rear ends are lighter but still up to a ton easy.

http://www.bright.net/~ispike/carfire

Mark /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[slowzuki]

Break out the round bale spike /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[jrlichina]

Why don't you fabricate a wheel lift(like the ones used on tow trucks) attachment for the 3-point hitch. These are very simple to fabricate, just make sure you use heavy enough gauge stock. As said before the leverage of something that far back will severely reduce your lifting capacity. Get the steel stock from a scrap yard to reduce you cost. It might be worth a try.

 

[Phred]

I have moved my old F250 short distances before with just a chain.
Get a heavy duty chain and wrap it around your bucket and then hook it up under the frame. You can then lower the bucket and use it as a bumper while you pull the truck backward. It will scrap up the bumper a bit and you need to go very slow. Minimal slack will reduce the damage to the car.

Maybe in your case pickup the rear a little bit.

In my case the rear bumper is already banged up so a few more scratches was no big deal. I did not try to pickup the rear end since this truck is somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-8K lbs.

Fred

 

[Slamfire]

Was the truck bed loaded Phred? Most F250 aren't placarded for much over 8K lbs GROSS. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[markct]

well last summer i towed my fathers old international dump truck to the junk yard, they wanted 50 bucks to come pick it up, but if i dropped it off they would take it for free. so i took a heavy logging chain and hooked it around each side of the front axle of the truck and then took my 11 hole drawbar and my drawbar hook and hooked it to the chain, just tight enough that i could lift the front of the truck with the 3pt, it worked great, couldnt turn too tight cause the truck bumper would hit the tractor tire, but it towed fine with the trucks front wheels off the ground, and it was a good sized dump truck, much bigger than a 1 ton truck. another thing i have done to move around junk cars in the yard was use my 3pt pallet forks, with 7ft extensions slid over the forks, and lifted up the entire car from the side, never did it on anything bigger than a nissan pickup tho, i dont think i would try it on a fullsize pickup, atleast not without front weights on the tractor

 

[Phred]

Slamfire,

I am guessing. I have not scalled it in along time, but its a diesel with 8800 lbs GVWR. So 3/4 ton (1500 lbs) minus 8800 lbs gives you about 7300 lbs. Most of that is in the front end when its empty.

Maybe I could pickup the rear end but I would not want to pickup the front end. Those 7.3L diesels are heavy...

Fred

 

[Slamfire]

Phred, I think you'd better scale your truck, I'd be suprised if it went over 5000 lbs. That's the beauty of 3/4 ton trucks, some of them haul more. GVWR will vary between 6000 and 8000+ but the truck weight doesn't go up all that much. You get heavier springs, shocks and bigger brakes with the heavier rating.

 

[Phred]

Well you maybe right, but ford use to make two different kinds of F250s. One was only slightly heavier duty than a 150.
But the heavy duty model is almost a 350. I bieleve the rear diff is the same, just only two wheels and lighter springs. The front is a dana 50 IFS not the smaller dana 44 you find in the light duty trucks.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forumfiles/6-54039-truck1.jpg
Fred

 

[Egon]

Slamfire:

My 2500 weighs in at 6475 pounds with a full tank of fuel. Extended cab --4x4

Egon

 

[jrlichina]

Slamfire.

My 1999 F350 Supercab 8ft Box, Diesel, 4x4 Automatic weighs 7,640 lbs.

 

[Taylortractornut]

Rich There used to be alot of trailer slings built here for folks to haul cars, Ive helped build a couple. We just used a 3x3 square tube however long wed like and make a 4 to 6 foot wide axle out of the front spinldes of a pickup. then we welded a mast on it about 4 or 5 feet tall. Then we'd mount sheave wheel, on the mast and mount the hand winch somewhere on the tongue. Off the mast cable we put a hook and then build a clevis mounted sling out of conveyor material and put the lower draw bar on it like an old sling type wrecker. They worked real good, ALot of folks used thm till a couple years ago when a few folks built some that half way welded them and caused the DOT to rag the owners. My older brother had a good one and a 3/4 ton truck we hauled no telling how many cars and pickups to his shop or the junkyard. They work good on a tractor as they dont strai nthe 3 point hitch or our lift, but its advisable to build or buy an overrunning brake system if your on hilly ground. Also use turn limmiting chains on the drawbar to prevent jack knifing on a steep hill. But if your land is flat his isnt necessary. I need to build one in my spare time to move the carcasses around here before I strip them.