mile marker winch

m7040 · Nov 3, 2006

I was thinking about mounting a hydaulic winch on my tractor hooked in to the the FEL outlets in the front. Looking at the website it states that they operate at 1500 psi and 3.5 gpm. My system is 2500 and 11 gpm. Does anyone know if it will work reliable in this system?

schmism · Nov 3, 2006

flow shouldnt be an issue. if anything it will just spin faster.

pressure is another story... you may blow the seals out of it. but could easly plumb a pressure reducer inline to avoid that problem.

(gpm = spool rate, pressure = pulling force)

MossRoad · Nov 3, 2006

Call the company that makes them and tell them what you have and ask if it will work.

B2400 · Nov 4, 2006

I could be wrong here but, Were'nt the MM winches designed to work off of the power steering pump? If so you could adapt a boneyard PS pump to your pto and power it from there.

Soundguy · Nov 7, 2006

You could even make an aux mount for a spare engine pump too. ( used ps pump is a great idea.. )

Soundguy

m7040 · Nov 7, 2006

Called MM and they said the units are limited to 1500 psi and 3.5 gpm and suggested installing a flow/pressure reducer in the line. Just dont know how to do that so will look at Warn that have winches good for 2500 psi and much higher flow rates. Like the idea of using the tractor hydraulics and plug into the quick disconnects in the front so I can operate the winch from the bottons on the joystick for the FEL

radman1 · Nov 7, 2006

Would it be simpler to just go electric and run it off the battery? How much pulling power do hydraulic winches have? Are the hydraulic ones cheaper?

ovrszd · Nov 8, 2006

radman1 said:
Would it be simpler to just go electric and run it off the battery? How much pulling power do hydraulic winches have? Are the hydraulic ones cheaper?

I own one electric 2000lb Warn Winch, one electric 2500lb Warn winch, one electric 12,000lb Warn winch, one electric 8000lb Ramsey winch and one hydraulic Mile Marker 10,500lb winch.

The pulling power of the winch is determined in it's construction and has nothing to do with hydraulic or electric.

Hydraulic winches and electric winches are similarly priced.

Electric winches require a high output alternator and/or dual batteries if you are going to do long, hard, repeated pulls. They develop a lot of heat and use huge amounts of amperage draw during these pulls.

Hydraulic winches require the appropriate hydraulic pressure and flow rate. They will pull all day with little heat buildup or hydraulic stress on your tractor's system.

If you are creating a system to use for long pulls and repeated pulls I would suggest hydraulic. If you are creating a system for occassional pulls of moderate or short duration, go electric.

Soundguy · Nov 8, 2006

m7040 said:
Called MM and they said the units are limited to 1500 psi and 3.5 gpm and suggested installing a flow/pressure reducer in the line. Just dont know how to do that so will look at Warn that have winches good for 2500 psi and much higher flow rates. Like the idea of using the tractor hydraulics and plug into the quick disconnects in the front so I can operate the winch from the bottons on the joystick for the FEL

A auxiliary relief and orifice setup will get the psi and flow rate where you need it. etc..

Soundguy

radman1 · Nov 8, 2006

ovrszd
Thanks for the info. Never seen a hydraulic winch in use. For a CUT it seems like the way to go. I have a 9000 lb ramsey electric on my trailer.

Deerlope · Nov 9, 2006

I have a MM winch mounted on a 3pth frame works that I made that is rated 10,500lbs. I have it on a L3830. The L3830 also is rated 2500 psi with just a little less gpm flow. It has worked flawlessly for 3 years now. I just plug it into my rear remotes. I use it for skidding logs, its 2 speed and the whole set up was much cheaper than a skidding winch.

m7040 · Nov 13, 2006

Just talked to Winchesplus.com technical support. They said that to operate a hydraulic Mile marker winch safely in the 2500 psi system we need use a special spool valve that they sell for 120 dollars. This spool valve is to be mounted on the winch and operated at the winch. The front hydraulic outlets on my Kubota m7040 are operated from bottons on the FEL joystick so not sure how that can work in this case. Any ideas out there?

Soundguy · Nov 13, 2006

Did they say what their 'magic' spool does? If so,.. then just find something to replicate those effects.

Soundguy

Deerlope · Nov 13, 2006

m7040 said:
Just talked to Winchesplus.com technical support. They said that to operate a hydraulic Mile marker winch safely in the 2500 psi system we need use a special spool valve that they sell for 120 dollars. This spool valve is to be mounted on the winch and operated at the winch. The front hydraulic outlets on my Kubota m7040 are operated from bottons on the FEL joystick so not sure how that can work in this case. Any ideas out there?

That is exactly who I bought my winch from and they did not say anything to me about a special valve. At what RPM does the M7040 produce 2500 PSI? That is the question that no one has asked yet. My L3830 produces 2650 PSI at 14GPM and my winch works good. Yes I said 2650 PSI because I increased mine.
Plumb into the rear remote lines and use them.

m7040 · Nov 14, 2006

Good question on the pressure. Pressure is related to flow on the positive displacement pump system I would think at low RPM's flow is low and pressure as well. Seems that the MM winch should be safe as long as we only rev it up to where it functions effectively. I will try it without the spool valve

mopacman · Nov 24, 2006

The pressure will be the same at all RPMs. Just the flow will change. A motor and a cylinder could use a different spool valve. A valve that is electric controled will not have any speed control. You can get a spool valve with a pressure relief valve built into it.

cgraham · Dec 19, 2006

I'd just like to remark I have a 10,500 Milemarker installed on my truck, running off the power steering pump. It is built like a tank, and will work uncomplainingly all day. I have seen electric winches start to smoke under smaller loads.

The only disadvantage compared to an electric winch is that the engine has to be running to use it.

Make sure you know the techniques for using a winch, to get maximum performance, avoid damaging the cable, and avoid lots of hassles with loose turns on the spool. Whenever possible the drum should be at right angles to the work so the cable winds evenly.

Once installed, you will love it. Let us know.

C

Deerlope · Dec 20, 2006

In a recent phone conversation recently with Mile Marker he told me that if the fairlead was at least 10" away from the winch it would act almost like a level winder. In using mine for winching logs I have had to make a few redesign changes to it. One was the way that the cable is secured to the drum.

cgraham · Dec 20, 2006

Deerlope, how DID you change the drum attachment. I ripped mine off once, and had great difficulty finding someone who could swage a new anchor to the cable. I still has to be careful not to run out those last few turns of cable.

C