Metal Pipe Fence Leaning

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ChevyHDGert

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My metal fence is at the top of a slope of the roadside ditch with the pipe runners welded to the road side of the metal posts so the weight is pulling the fence toward the road.

I have several 10 foot sections doing this.

Here in Texas, the drought has caused the land to start cracking so now seems like a good time to pull the posts back straight.

Should I get several trucks/tractors together and have each one pull on a post at the same time and then fill the backside void with compacted sand?

Will this work?

Or any other solutions?
 
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Got a picture? Might have had to much pressure on it to begin with and needed a larger post to support the area around the rise.
 
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I don't have any pics of it's current state but I found some pictures from 3 years ago and it was straight.
 
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Even an old picture might help us figure out if there's something about the fence that caused it to lean and whether it can be pulled back straight without tearing it up. Or if the posts aren't in concrete, I guess you could always pull them and set them back straight again. But current pictures would be the best....
 
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See if this works..

This is looking down my fence (black painted one)
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More...
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My fence in the background on the left....appears straight in these older pics
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What you might want to try is using sand anchors that they use for Mobile homes and drive these in at a 45 degree angle every maybe 50 or 100 ft and pull and tie the fence off to these. You can pull either with a tractor and tie, or a come-a-long.

You can elect to leave these in or remove after the angle is set and fixed permanently.

But with three of four of these you could pull evenly and make the fence true and level.
 
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I have to say that's one nice looking pipe fence! I'd say what you have in mind will work. I think I'd dig behind each post where you're going to pull and and try it. By digging some behind it (inside on your property) that will aleviate some of the strain on the post itself. You might consider a few places where you'd weld some pipe coming off a post at a 45 deg. angle or so and weld the lower end to a short piece of pipe that's anchored in the ground. I'm assuming you have horses in this area? I think once they got used to it most problems would go away:rolleyes: At least as much as problems can go away with having horses. Of course I might be off base and you don't have any!:eek:
 
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Cut the post near ground level leaving some to the inside to act as a hinge, pull the post level, and weld up
 
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I think I would leave it alone until it cools off at the end of the year, to see if it straightens up on its own. If it does, you may need to cut in some slip joints every 100' or so to allow for expansion and contraction. I bet in this heat, the pipe has expanded causing it to bow.

Joe
 
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Here is the entrance I had put in....

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The piece of PVC pipe is just to cover the metal gate rest to keep the horses from cutting their legs.
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Now onto the lean problem...

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Notice the backside of the concrete sticking up above the ground.
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And the truck just for grins....although I want a new one
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no expert but I wonder if the metal is expanding a bit to... interesting theory.

what do the installers say?
 
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Just a guess, but it looks like an animal trail in the grass running along side the fence in some of the pics. Are there large hoofed animals in that field?
I've seen a LOT of fences of all types that are leaning out toward a road and in the majority there are horses or cows that are pushing on the fence trying to eat grass or just walk along it rubbing on it as they walk.
If that's the case, you'll need to reinforce your fence footings to keep them from pushing it back out once its straight.
As to straighting it up, I'd wait till the ground is real wet then use a couple of come-alongs to pull it back. Don't think you'll move the concrete in hard dry dirt without bending or breaking something.
 
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When I was a kid I had blackheads along with acne. When I see posts set with concrete like yours have I remember the blackheads and my mom catching me and working them out.

Just like she would pop the blackheads out by putting pressure on the sides of the blackheads your soil is trying to pop the posts out of the ground. When the concrete has a ledge above grade then the ground has something to grab for pushing up and out.

Your expansive soil, the clay, shrinks as it dries out. It pulls away from your concrete footer, the cement around your post. Then when it gets wet it expands, bottom up. This action lifts your posts and pushes them toward the side with the least resistance, you get lean.

Add to this the expansion and contraction of the steel in the heat. There's a lot of movement there. Remember when they put the last piece of the Arch in St Louis together they had to apply ice because they were running late that day and every degree in temperature changed the size of the unit.

Up here in north Texas we have some of the worst of the expansive soils. I've fought it since I arrived. What I try to do is not have the ledges on top. I also make sure the holes are free from loose dirt when I set my posts. Loose soil will pack and shrink when wet and the post will sink. I also make sure I'm not drilling cone shaped holes. That gives the soil leverage when it comes to pushing the post up out of the ground.

I don't get leans in my fences. But I still get up and down movement. It drives me crazy but it is what it is. Where I'm building the barn by myself there's hundreds of feet of ornamental iron fence that I built seven or so years ago. It's put together as prefabricated panels from Payne Fence attached to posts with brackets and screws. The fence is still nuts on for straight and height. The soil is sandy loam and doesn't move.

As for your problem. You could come along with a twelve or sixteen pound sledge and smack the bejezzuz out of the posts a couple of inches above the concrete. That will break the concrete ledge and remove that. I'm not too sure about the putting the sand in the gaps you have around the posts now. That's because when it rains and the ground expands I can see the sand acting as a lubricant enabling the clay to lift the post easier than before.

Braces and anchors can't be put on the inside because they present a hazard to livestock. You can't do it on the outside, first because it's in the right of way and it isn't your land. Chances are most likely anymore there's buried utilities in the right of way and you damage one of those and you're in trouble.

What you could do is rent a jackhammer or tamper with a compressor. I would start in the middle of the line and pull one post straight. I would tamp or jackhammer the existing soil down as far and as tight as I could. The engineers will tell us if my idea of using the soil there is the right thing to do. I think it is.

When that post is finished I would move over to the next post and repeat it. The third post done would be the one on the opposite side of the first one completed. I would go down the line alternating like that until the line was finished.

If you decide to follow my advice and you're chewing up nails and spitting out screws as you do so consider the fact that farms in the east that have been farmed since the seventeen hundreds will occasionally have a big boulder appear in the field. Daddy Dirt doesn't like foreign objects in his playground. Your concrete footer is not unlike that big boulder. Daddy Dirt will work to remove it. Especially if Daddy Dirt is an expansive soil.
 
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I wish I had such problems! What an absolutely beautiful place you have! I'd luv it in a heart beat! "Leaning fence? What leaning fence?" Don't think I could get use to your heat though. How much snow and frost heave did you say you got? Oh yeah, one at a time with a come-a-long. Sorry! ~Scotty
 
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wroughtn harv, I'd say you are dead on. I'm no expert at fence leaning except I drive around Texas a lot and I see leaning metal fences everywhere. More leaning pipe fences than any other kind. Several factors play into that I think but most are not in an area which freeze-thaw would come into play much so I attribute it to normal soil movement from getting wet and drying and - maybe the posts are not deep enough? The concrete also is probably not belled ath the deep end either but just poured straight down a cone shaped holeand leveled out on top of the ground leaving the 'shoulder' for the ground to push up against.

My question, since you are more knowledgeable on pipe fencing than me, is if it would solve the problem if you only poured the post hole about half full and covered the rest with soil and tamped it well on top of the 'crete and had a 'bell end' at the bottom? Also how deep would that hole need to be to prevent upheavel?

Sure seems a shame to spend so much on a pipe fence and then have it lean because it was not put in deep enough or something else preventable at the time built.
 
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When I was a kid I had blackheads along with acne. When I see posts set with concrete like yours have I remember the blackheads and my mom catching me and working them out.

Just like she would pop the blackheads out by putting pressure on the sides of the blackheads your soil is trying to pop the posts out of the ground. When the concrete has a ledge above grade then the ground has something to grab for pushing up and out.

Harv:

That's the first time I've heard the analogy of zits to fence posts. Like you I had those pesky blackheads as a kid, so I can relate.

Thanks for this evening's chuckle.
 
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Your fence looks like the pances that are sold at go bob pipe. Although I think their fence panels have explansions joints to compensate for expansion and contraction to prevent bowing.

GoBob Pipe and Steel - Continuous Fence

The owner gives a good demo video that explains how they install the panels. Maybe the heat and soil combined? I'm pretty sure this drought is affecting you guys up there as well. Don't let all that Bluebell melt!
 
 
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