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westbrooklawn

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What % fee would a tractor dealer typically pay on a Visa or Mastercard transaction... I had always thought around 1.5%, but don't know if that is accurate. The number comes into play as I run the numbers for trading up on my tractor.
 
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I have been told by small businesses 3% for them i think it might very by
size of business .Some have stopped taking cards because of cost.
 
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What % fee would a tractor dealer typically pay on a Visa or Mastercard transaction... I had always thought around 1.5%, but don't know if that is accurate. The number comes into play as I run the numbers for trading up on my tractor.
I pay 2.63% plus a "swipe" fee per transaction.
 
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It depends on the size/scale of the business and who they may be associated with. One of the selling points of buying groups and dealer associations is lower transaction fees on credit cards.

The real question I guess is "why does it matter?". Is your dealer taking this in to account in your pricing? Is there a reason that you want to put it on your card, such as points or benefits? If you're looking at the points/benefits, most of them end up being the same as something around a 1% rebate...guess how they fund those...with the merchant fees.

If its just the use of credit that you need and you don't want your dealer to incur the processing fees, just get a bank draft or cash advance on your credit card and use that. Or better yet, get a low interest line of credit.
 
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There is also another "time bomb" out there when you use a credit card involved in a large purchase. Most banks are switching card users to variable interest rates which lets them raise rates at will without violating the new credit card rules. You could find yourself saddled with a high card balance AND rising interest rates at the same time. Of course, if you are lucky enough to run zero balances, using a credit card to your advantage might work for you.
Just be very careful, as the rules of the game have changed. The big boys are not going to give up any revenue streams. I imagine the merchant side of the credit card business (not really well known by most consumers) is going through changes too. Bottom line--too much greed out there.
 
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FYI. You can ask your dealer about financing. I haven't been shopping for a new tractor lately, but others here report things like 0% for 60 months (Mahindra).

When I did purchase mine, I got a good rate, but chose to go with the additional 1.5% to finance all the implements, too. It was a good deal.

BTW, most credit card terms strictly forbid a merchant to charge extra for taking a credit card or to set a minimum purchase. Many offer a "cash discount" to get around it or just plain ignore that term. Can't blame them- it's an additional cost for them.

- JC
 
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What % fee would a tractor dealer typically pay on a Visa or Mastercard transaction... I had always thought around 1.5%, but don't know if that is accurate. The number comes into play as I run the numbers for trading up on my tractor.

I own a small business and its about 3%. I'm sure at a big dealership it would be less.
 
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I am not sure exactly how the system works in the US but credit card fees here in Canada are a pox on retailers. A merchant here pay between 1.5% and 4% of the transaction amount to the credit card processor depending on the size of the business, it's volume and so on.

Other bank love stories.
- The banks also charge merchants a cash handling fee of X$ per $1,000 deposited because "handling all that cash is a lot of work and costs us money."
- There is a monthly rental fee for the electronic payment terminal you swipe your cards through.
- There are service charges of varied amounts depending on what your balance is in your account.
- Programs like Air Miles often cost the retailer small fortunes to run (and the retailer does not own the information collected under the miles program).
- Retailers everywhere are collecting customer data in unprecidented volumes to use in marketing or planning. I worry about safe data storage of this data (there are rules and where I work we spend a fortune keeping this stuff encrypted etc but it still worries me).
- Banks can charge retailers different rates for different types of cards. I.E. a "preferred card" may cost more % than a "non preferred one" etc.

I think people should try and avoid using credit cards for many reasons, the least of which is interest payments and carrying a balance. The merchant does have to pay, and yes, the costs are built into the price of goods at the register so as far as a bargaining point, I think it's moot.

In reality, my post is just a sorry ramble and the more we move away from cash the more this sort of stuff will become reality. I don't like it, call me old fashioned.

Sorry for the left turn.
 
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I am not sure exactly how the system works in the US but credit card fees here in Canada are a pox on retailers. A merchant here pay between 1.5% and 4% of the transaction amount to the credit card processor depending on the size of the business, it's volume and so on.

Other bank love stories.
- The banks also charge merchants a cash handling fee of X$ per $1,000 deposited because "handling all that cash is a lot of work and costs us money."
- There is a monthly rental fee for the electronic payment terminal you swipe your cards through.
- There are service charges of varied amounts depending on what your balance is in your account.
- Programs like Air Miles often cost the retailer small fortunes to run (and the retailer does not own the information collected under the miles program).
- Retailers everywhere are collecting customer data in unprecidented volumes to use in marketing or planning. I worry about safe data storage of this data (there are rules and where I work we spend a fortune keeping this stuff encrypted etc but it still worries me).
- Banks can charge retailers different rates for different types of cards. I.E. a "preferred card" may cost more % than a "non preferred one" etc.

I think people should try and avoid using credit cards for many reasons, the least of which is interest payments and carrying a balance. The merchant does have to pay, and yes, the costs are built into the price of goods at the register so as far as a bargaining point, I think it's moot.

In reality, my post is just a sorry ramble and the more we move away from cash the more this sort of stuff will become reality. I don't like it, call me old fashioned.

Sorry for the left turn.

JimmyJ, Send me your username and password at work and I will test your encryption :D:D Save you a lot of worry. Trust me. :)

Seriously, I feel about like you do. I would like to get rid of my credit card but it's just about impossible to do somethings without one. Internet shopping would be the killer for me, local shopping isn't an option in many cases. If you travel for business or fun, it's really difficult to do without a card. We are to some degree ensnared in the system - and they know it.
Dave.
 
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An over-the-counter transaction should not cost the retailer more than 1.9%. Many times it's lower. This is because it's being swiped at the point of sale where the retailer is able to verify the identity of the purchaser. Less chance of fraud.

Mail Order / Phone Orders are higher charges, in the 2's to 3's. These are higher risk charges, even with retailers requesting the 3-digit number on the back of the cards.

American Express is 3% or higher. Between the exorbitant rate charged to the retailer and the annual fees charged to the card-holder, it's a wonder they're even in business.
 
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An over-the-counter transaction should not cost the retailer more than 1.9%. Many times it's lower. This is because it's being swiped at the point of sale where the retailer is able to verify the identity of the purchaser. Less chance of fraud.

Mail Order / Phone Orders are higher charges, in the 2's to 3's. These are higher risk charges, even with retailers requesting the 3-digit number on the back of the cards.

American Express is 3% or higher. Between the exorbitant rate charged to the retailer and the annual fees charged to the card-holder, it's a wonder they're even in business.
Again, 2.63% plus swipe fee and this is at point of sale...the credit card company has nothing to do with the fee...the fee is charged by the retailer's banking institution (terminal owner, at least in my case), and that is with POS electronic verification (no funds in your account and the transaction is declined). In that case, I still pay the terminal swipe fee.
 
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I pay 1.54% for regular Visa and M/C if it's a reward card i pay the 1% or 2% on top of that. i also have a 10 cent swipe fee. now on debit cards its just a flat 35 cent swipe fee if you put in a pin number.
i don't accept Amx. The card companies do charge the fee and then your bank or Merchant Account adds a fee on top of that. In my case i pay the Card fee and the swipe fee goes to My Merchant (card processing center)
all of these fees can be negotiated with the merchant center by looking sales.
also if you do more sales under $10 your swipe fee will be less and your % paid will be higher. again you can negotiate or shop for these rates.
Hope that helps.
Brian
 
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It depends on the size/scale of the business and who they may be associated with. One of the selling points of buying groups and dealer associations is lower transaction fees on credit cards.

The real question I guess is "why does it matter?". Is your dealer taking this in to account in your pricing? Is there a reason that you want to put it on your card, such as points or benefits? If you're looking at the points/benefits, most of them end up being the same as something around a 1% rebate...guess how they fund those...with the merchant fees.

If its just the use of credit that you need and you don't want your dealer to incur the processing fees, just get a bank draft or cash advance on your credit card and use that. Or better yet, get a low interest line of credit.

If my business takes a credit card with a reward or points paid for its use, we are charged a higher fee to cover that cost. The customer never sees it but our "discount fee" has 2 or 3 different rates depending on the type of card.

Andy

Antec Energy LLC Home Energy Saving Services
 
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I pay 1.54% for regular Visa and M/C if it's a reward card i pay the 1% or 2% on top of that. i also have a 10 cent swipe fee. now on debit cards its just a flat 35 cent swipe fee if you put in a pin number.
i don't accept Amx. The card companies do charge the fee and then your bank or Merchant Account adds a fee on top of that. In my case i pay the Card fee and the swipe fee goes to My Merchant (card processing center)
all of these fees can be negotiated with the merchant center by looking sales.
also if you do more sales under $10 your swipe fee will be less and your % paid will be higher. again you can negotiate or shop for these rates.
Hope that helps.
Brian

I doubt that you could get that rate again, It's very low.

Andy

Antec Energy LLC Home Energy Saving Services
 
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Again, 2.63% plus swipe fee and this is at point of sale...the credit card company has nothing to do with the fee...the fee is charged by the retailer's banking institution (terminal owner, at least in my case), and that is with POS electronic verification (no funds in your account and the transaction is declined). In that case, I still pay the terminal swipe fee.
I should clarify...I (as the retailer) do not get billed a fee from the CC companies...I pay the marchant fee to my bank...I have no knowlwedge of the arrangement between the CC Co. and banking institution and have never been informed of negotiation of fees. I haven't paid less than 2% in 10 years or so.
 
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andy,
you can get rates like this every day if you have the volume, and you shop rates. When a merchant calls to give you a quote on their rates and ask you to fax over your last statement, tell them no, tell them you quote me your best rate and if you are lower than what i'm paying now i'll switch.
Never sign a long term contract with a Merchant so you can get out at any time.
Buy your Credit card machine don't lease (there only $300)


I doubt that you could get that rate again, It's very low.

Andy

Antec Energy LLC Home Energy Saving Services
 
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andy,
you can get rates like this every day if you have the volume, and you shop rates. When a merchant calls to give you a quote on their rates and ask you to fax over your last statement, tell them no, tell them you quote me your best rate and if you are lower than what i'm paying now i'll switch.
Never sign a long term contract with a Merchant so you can get out at any time.
Buy your Credit card machine don't lease (there only $300)
Thats some good info. I've heard the 2.63% figure mentioned by multiple business owners that i know.
 
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Again, 2.63% plus swipe fee and this is at point of sale...the credit card company has nothing to do with the fee...the fee is charged by the retailer's banking institution (terminal owner, at least in my case), and that is with POS electronic verification (no funds in your account and the transaction is declined). In that case, I still pay the terminal swipe fee.

I'd recommend you shop around a bit. And, you're right, Visa/MC does not charge the retailers directly. There is a very convoluted processing industry that's best comparable to the mortgage industry. You may think your mortgage and/or merchant account is through your banking institution, but they're just account managers... the service is held/provided by a separate entity.
 
 
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