matching wheel motors?

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5dphilip

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2005 Power-trac PT1430
Obviously they should all match, however my pt1430 has had the front left motor replaced with a larger sized (appearance) motor. It originally had the CE430 as i have had to rebuild the rear. Didn't even think about the front. Anyone see a major problem with this? These 430s aren't cheap. Any insight to finding good prices on them? Someone have an application reference so i know what broken equipment i could try and find to rob one from?
 
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That Charlynn 24 cu. in. motor is the exact motor that's on my 1845. Great price too.
 
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marrt,

Can you tell me the GPM and pressure rating of your tram pump?

Can anyone tell me the GPM's and pressure on there VSP pump. Variable Speed Pump.

The pressure , torque and HP developed on those motors do not add up for 4, 24 cu in hyd motors with a 3000 psi pressure rating. .

Your Hp on the PT can only pump a max of 23.2 GPM's at 3000 psi.

The total of 23.2 has to be split for the the two sections of the drive, and there are two motors in each section.

The pump and motor can develop around 3000 psi, and there are two flow paths.

If the pump is a 3000 psi pump, then the two motors in series will use 1500 psi per motor. Torque is determined from the displacement and the pressure.

I had assumed the hyd wheel motors on the PT's were 1500 psi motors.

Some of the VSP pumps do go above 4000 psi.
 
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I make no claims to being an expert, but when researching wheelmotors for mine, I looked at those that could operate at 1500psi continuously but could handle a higher peak. Since you have two wheelmotors in each circuit, the first wheel motor is subject to the full pressure of the pump should an obstruction or something try to stop the second motor from turning. The first wheelmotor normally consumes 1/2 the pressure with the remaining pressure being consumed by the second wheelmotor. Should that motor not turn, for whatever reason, the first wheelmotor bears the full force of the pump...

As I visualize this in operation, I think the PSI on any wheelmotor in use is constantly changing based on treadle position and the traction, steering position, load/resistance not only on that wheelmotor but also on the other wheelmotor in the circuit.
 
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If the motors have the same displacement, they should run at the same rpm.

You can bet that with the wear and tear,none of the motors will run at the same rpm. Leakage, friction, etc.

http://www.whitedriveproducts.com/pdf/catalog/CEcatalog.pdf

What code is on your motor?

Here are a few motors you might match up.

Surplus Center

Sorry it took so long to get back with you. Partly the heat we have now and the dreading of finding yet another thing wrong with my auction PT. By the way the alternator did start smoking. Now i have it disconnected because it appears to not be cheap.

Anyways on to the motor. It is a re530. Same 18.3in i believe the others are. Pt1430 2004?

My others aren't marked. It is 6.5 inches deep vs the others 4" deep. 530300w3131
 
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This is a White Hydraulics RE series wheel motor with heavy duty bearings.

Decoding the 530 300 W3 1 31 A A A AA model number:

530 = Counterclockwise rotation (but it's reversible as you know)
300 = 300 cc displacement (18.3 cu. in.)
W3 = 4 hole wheel mount
1 = 7/8" o-ring aligned ports
31 = 1 1/2" tapered shaft
A = Black color
A = no valve cavity
A = no lock nut or hex nut included
AA = not a free turning rotor

Max continuous torque is 7300 inch pounds (8300 intermittent). The length is 5.15 inches.

Any hydraulics supplier should be able to match this specification with an alternative. The displacement, 4 hole mount, tapered shaft size and motor length are all fairly critical.
 
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JJ,

Sorry...I didn't notice your question was addressed to me. I don't know the pump displacement, GPM or pressure. Next time I visit PT (in a few days) I'll try to remember to ask.
 
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I think that White RE is a replacement motor that someone had already put on it, while the three White CE motors are the originals. So, it has an ID tag, while Tazewell removed the tags from the original CEs.

I'm now running 28.3ci White RE motors on my 425. Note that the 28.3 will NOT fit completely inside the bolt-on 1430 wheelmotor boxes that I'm also using. The body to had to be trimmed enough for them to recess slightly into the tub. They are about flush with the inside wall of the body tub. The back of the wheelmotor boxes are open, so that was not an issue. I had already cut recesses in my tub to run the 21.7ci Char-Lynn S series motors that I tried prior to these REs. I used the original welded on wheelmotor boxes With the Char-Lynns. While the torque of the Char-Lynns was adequate, the taper on their 1" shaft was not the same as the original White 12.5ci RS series, and I could not keep the hubs tight. When I swapped to the "bargain" RE series from Surplus Center, I bought motors with new 1.5" shaft hubs attached.

Ditto on the taper being critical...

Edit: Just an anecdotal note on torque/power of these 28.3 motors on my 425. This past weekend my youngest son came to visit, towing his 18ft bass boat with his Nissan Frontier V6 4wd. Since I drive an older 2010 Frontier with the same drivetrain, I cautioned him to switch to 4wd before trying to climb my steep gravel driveway. Long story short, for some reason the electronic 4wd failed to engage completely, and he didn't realize it until he was more than halfway up my steep, curving, and sometimes narrow driveway. He only made it to about 20 yards from the top before losing traction. He tried to back down for another try, but the trailer started off into the ditch on a curve. I stopped him, and told him to wait for me to get the PT and a chain. We hooked it on, and I pulled his truck, boat and trailer up the hill and over the crest. The PT was intermittently scratching its 26x12x12 lug tires in the gravel, but the approximate 1400lb tractor pulled not only his midsize pickup, but also a boat/trailer combo that weighs far more than the little PT. I told him to give his Nissan enough gas to help, but not enough to spin, and the rugged little PT did the rest... He couldn't believe that something so small could do it, but it did!
 
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You're killin' me! :laughing:

I'm torn between the practicality of having higher speed and the want for brute force just to have it when needed.... the only solution.... two PT425's with different wheel motors!!! Wife would not be happy... :rolleyes:
 
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Is it safe to run this re530 on the front left while the rest are ce430s? This was actually the question i had in the beginning.
 
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As long as the displacement is the same, running different series motors is fine, IMO.
 
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Kent's right. If face, the 530 motor is a "better" motor because it has heavy duty bearings (the 430 had medium duty).
 

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