Manual vs Hydro Transmissions

[scott_vt]

Mornin Red,
Ahhh, now youve gone and done it !!! Actual photogenic proof that 2 WD tractors actually can hold their own in the work department

 

[patrick_g]

Great pix. But does it have an AM radio and a 4 track stereo?

A good workman can do wonders with even a primitive tool.

Pat

 

[redlevel]

Great pix. But does it have an AM radio and a 4 track stereo?

A good workman can do wonders with even a primitive tool.

Pat

iPod. You didn't notice the earbuds? By the way, I'm the distinguished looking portly gentleman with the white beard.

 

[patrick_g]

By the way, I'm the distinguished looking portly gentleman with the white beard.

My appologies, I thought it was your dad.

Pat

 

[john_bud]

Great pix. But does it have an AM radio and a 4 track stereo?

A good workman can do wonders with even a primitive tool.

Pat

Pat, Pat, Pat,

What are we going to do with you? A "4 Track" was the original endless tape system for music. There were 4 separate sets of recordings put down in parallel on the tape, 1 at the top edge, 2,3 in the middle and 4 at the bottom edge. The music was in MONO. When it went to stereo, it had to split each of the tracks for L and R speaker playback. That doubled the effective number of tracks and it became an 8 Track STEREO.

jb

 

[patrick_g]

Pat, Pat, Pat,

What are we going to do with you?
jb

Send money, lots of money, so I can hire a trivia tutor!

Are you positive that Lear didn't do any stereo in the 4 track format prior to commercialization of the 8 track?

Pat

 

[john_bud]

Send money, lots of money, so I can hire a trivia tutor!

Are you positive that Lear didn't do any stereo in the 4 track format prior to commercialization of the 8 track?

Pat

"checks in the mail"


I don't know if they did or didn't. Can't recall any - but that means little! If they did, it was quickly tossed aside like dirty socks when the 8 tracks came out.

jb

 

[_RaT_]

"checks in the mail"


I don't know if they did or didn't. Can't recall any - but that means little! If they did, it was quickly tossed aside like dirty socks when the 8 tracks came out.

jb

Bought one four track in my life. Hermans Hermits. I completely skipped over the 8 tracks, left that up to my friends. I was the first with a stereo cassette tape and for sure had the very first CD player. I was told that the CD would never make it, it was just a fad, they will never replace vinyl. Well, they did for the masses but on the otherhand, the life of CD's may well be coming to an end as well. I still have my old Beta machine, its a tank, runs great, kind of like the old geared 2WD tractors out there. (I had to throw that in to stay on topic)

 

[Soundguy]

Before you run off and chastise me.. go back and reread my message.. very slowly. The 3 of you missed my point entirely.

What I specifically said was that you either had to hold your foot on the pedal or use cruise. if using cruise, then you have to 'make an action' to get it off cruse.. I.e. brake or hst pedal. my point was that it also only takes a single action to dump an hand throttle on a geared unit.. Thus.. not much gained in the 'ease' dept. when looking at long runs with a throttle set and same ground speed.. say like mowing... In other words.. i don't see much valvue in hst over gear for flat open pasture mowing..

If I remember correctly, the argument was that it took to much 'playing' with l;evers and such on the geared tractor to do anything. my point, is that for some operastions.. it takes pretty much 'equal' time to go thru the motions for either transmission.

Obviously this is application specific. Some apps will heavilly favor a specific tranny.. so will be neutral. I see mowing as neutral in most cases.. or if in close quarters with lots of obstacles, then it leaning back over tot he hst.. Loader work obviuosly would like an HST.. or at least an advanced gear, like a shuttle.

I know you guys just like to look at a couple sentences and then shoot a reply off.. but it really does pay to read all the typed words...

Soundguy

SoundGuy, Try as I might I just can't undedrstand why you make a statement about holding your foot in a single position for hours. I have never done or thought I would need to do that. Even if you did, the ergonomic design of the Kubota HST pedal would make it pretty easy but it sure isn't required.

Cruise automatically turns off if you tap the brake or move the HST pedal. Cruise really does work neat. If for some reason you didn't want to "disturb" the cruise setting and only needed to slow down but not completely stop, you could ****** the throttle and the clutch is available if you want to completely stop without changing the cruise setting. Normally I only use the clutch for starting (lock out switch) and for engaging and disengaging the PTO.

The only time I ever held my foot on the pedal for very long in one position was all the way forward which is not particularly tiring as you can hold it with a toe, heel, left or right edge or whatever, not a cramping sort of thing. No more tiring than just having your foot resting on the floor.

Of course, with experience a good operator such as yourself and many others here learn to optimize their performance within their tractor's capability. Irrespective of what equipment you have, as you indicate the operator is an important part of the mix. Not everyone is cut out to operate equipment and there are no current designs on the market that can make everyone a good operator. I suggest the HST comes closest.

Pat

 

[Soundguy]

Pat.. here is the sentence that I quoted from your message:

:If speed is importanty in initiating a stop then you can't beat my : Kubota :HST. Most folks don't drive much of the time with a hand on the throttle or a foot on the brake. With my HST as soon as you let up on the HST pedal, where your foot is much of the time, the tractor slows very quickly.

I don't mow with my hand on the hand throttle.. I set it and then leave it alone. Much inthe same way cruise is set then left alone. when you want to void the cruise ( and thus drastically slow down.. as your sentence implies, when the hst pedal comes up ), then you have to make a single movement to void the cruise. My point was that in order for me to slow down on a gear unit.. i also only have to make a single movement.. that is.. dumping the hand throttle.

Now.. if the argument was that you mowed with your foot on the hst, and just let up to slow.. then the same could be said of a foot throttle on a gear.. again.. a single movement.

that was my entire point. For some applications.. there just isn't much practical benefit of an hst tranny over a geared unit... etc.

Clear now?

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

On second though.. I've changed my mind.. i take it all back.

Since a few of you seem to be agravated about discussing the different trans... and different uses, in different situations.. I concede. gear trans never should have been built.. they obviously have no place or purpose, and are obviously inferior in every way to any other type of power transmission scheme..... and the industry should have started with HST back when the mule teams were put up.

I'm bowing out of this one now... ( I don't mind discussing or debating.. however.. I've no time to argue on a hobby board.. )

thanks

Soundguy

 

[Egon]

If'n my memory can correctly recall when a quick stop was required on a geared tractor with no ground engaging equipment in the ground One's first reaction was twofold, the left foot hit the clutch, the right foot hit the brakes and both hands were used for steering! Throttle never much came to mind till all was stopped and settled down.

Go back a little farther and the left hand was reaching for the clutch, the right foot was standing on the brakes and the right hand was on the steering wheel. A fellow stood up on many of these tractors as sitting got uncomfortable after 10 or so hours.

Nobody ever stalled out the engine cause then you had to get off and crank the darned thing or start the pup or put in the starter shell. Waste off time as well as hard on the wrist.

Many of us Hobby farmers like HST. I would guess farmers involved in agriculture like gears??

What do you grow Soundguy??

 

[JerryG]

Chris,
Thank goodness. It's about time that you conceded. You know very well that a gear tractor is to hard to operate and that there is NO gear tractor save the old rock crusher model. After all, given the high number of hours of operation that these hydro models are put through a year, it makes all the difference.

 

[BTDT]

What do you grow Soundguy??


If he's like me he grows: weary, tired, aggravated, etc.

 

[john_bud]

On second though.. I've changed my mind.. i take it all back.

Since a few of you seem to be agravated about discussing the different trans... and different uses, in different situations.. I concede. gear trans never should have been built.. they obviously have no place or purpose, and are obviously inferior in every way to any other type of power transmission scheme..... and the industry should have started with HST back when the mule teams were put up.

I'm bowing out of this one now... ( I don't mind discussing or debating.. however.. I've no time to argue on a hobby board.. )

thanks

Soundguy

Golly, It looked like you wrote three messages back to back -- getting hotter and hotter after each one. I don't think any one assaulted you, or your (to me at least) valuable opinion. No need to get hot about a board. Just laugh and remember that most of the folks with HST tractors are on their first one or have never owned / operated anything but lawn tractors and Cat 0 tractors. They probably haven't ever tilled a 40 acre field, a 160 acre field or a 640 acre field. (not that I have done anything over a 40 either....) Everybody has an opinion and we all feel free to voice em and are free to ignore em.

Opinions are like swimsuits. Some you want to see less and some you want to see more.

But, that's just my opinion. Feel free to ignore it as you see fit!

jb

 

[_RaT_]

On second though.. I've changed my mind.. i take it all back.

Since a few of you seem to be agravated about discussing the different trans... and different uses, in different situations.. I concede. gear trans never should have been built.. they obviously have no place or purpose, and are obviously inferior in every way to any other type of power transmission scheme..... and the industry should have started with HST back when the mule teams were put up.

I'm bowing out of this one now... ( I don't mind discussing or debating.. however.. I've no time to argue on a hobby board.. )

thanks

Soundguy

Is this how Soundguy gets so many post's?

 

[_RaT_]

Is it from double....

triple posting? Chris, chill out. Your posts earlier on were very confusing. Your comments about braking, cruise control were inaccurate from how me and I would suspect many of us use our tractors, but then, maybe its because we are not always on something flat like you are. I have to reread your posts often to understand what your saying. 2WD is lovely. Gears are delightful... I have both geared and HST, and even a 2WD that I love dearly. Agriculture is wonderful, farmers with 2WD tractors do many things. Farmers with 2WD and gear tractors get just as much to market as those with other configurations. As you mention more then once in your posts, It all depends on your application. I would concede that 2WD is every bit as good as 4WD, gear better then HST in many applications but then, I have nothing to concede, I have never suggested that in all applications HST is always better or that 4WD is always better then 2WD. I suggest once again, it depends on the application, thats right, the application.


Seems to me all you have is time Chris.

 

[Glowplug]

Geez, I remember when this thread was first started and I made one of the first replies. I haven't followed it since. Now it is 12 pages long!

I haven't gone back and read all the "discussion" but I do have one question. Do HSTs have a hand throttle that controls the engine speed and the pedal controls the ground speed only? Or does the pedal control both engine speed and ground speed?

I have driven both. I prefer geared. Two days ago I was doing some earth moving, levelling, and backdragging. I could maneuver, change speed, change direction, raise & lower loader, and curl & dump the bucket as well as I could imagine. I don't think I'd have been better off with a HST. But, to each his own.

One more question: Which one would take off if on a treadmill?

 

[Mickey_Fx]

All that I've seen have one control for throttle and a separate one for ground speed/direction.

 

[BillyP]

What in the heck is going on with all these Gear vs HST threads? It always winds up the same way!

Someone says one thing and another says I don't believe it or mine is better than yours. If it's better, prove it! If you don't think one will last as long as the other, prove it!

For me, I don't care. I already bought and paid for what I want and with my money. If anyone out there wants to buy me something else to change my mind, bring it on! I have to warn you though, I've already had both.