Mahindra 2545 on sand

[deezler]

Have to agree with wagne223, you need to hang a heavy implement off the back of the tractor asap. I know you loaded water into your rears... maybe that's enough, but why chance it. A 600+ lb implement hanging off the 3-pt give you huge leverage to counter full buckets of sloppy clay like that.

If you lift a rear wheel, it means you're putting nearly the entire tractor, loader, and dirt weight on the front axle alone. If your front wheels are down in a ditch, and you have to reverse, think about how much strain that is on the front drivetrain. No bueno.

If you want to search here and elsewhere, you can easily find threads and pics of peoples exploded front axles. Even worse if Mahindra sees you didn't use rear ballast, warranty might not cover any repairs. Keep your machine planted down!

 

[SPYDERLK]

Have to agree with wagne223, you need to hang a heavy implement off the back of the tractor asap. I know you loaded water into your rears... maybe that's enough, but why chance it. A 600+ lb implement hanging off the 3-pt give you huge leverage to counter full buckets of sloppy clay like that.

If you lift a rear wheel, it means you're putting nearly the entire tractor, loader, and dirt weight on the front axle alone. If your front wheels are down in a ditch, and you have to reverse, think about how much strain that is on the front drivetrain. No bueno.

If you want to search here and elsewhere, you can easily find threads and pics of peoples exploded front axles. Even worse if Mahindra sees you didn't use rear ballast, warranty might not cover any repairs. Keep your machine planted down!

Yes, counterweight - distinguished from ballast - is often beneficial. However it is not true that it avoids or lessens abusive stress in all cases. When you think the physical situation thru you can see this.

For instance, in the example given you will back out of the ditch with the rears staying down on the ground - but that rear ground contact could be quite light. ... Perhaps only 1% of the weight of the entire load (counterweight, ballast, tractor, and bucket load). So what is supporting the rest of the weight as you back up? What is providing virtually all the motive force? In this case isnt the counterweight actually enabling abuse to the front end? What about all other cases of backing up?​

Realize that the cases where you stand the tractor on its nose trying to back up without counterweight actually limit stress that would be camouflaged and sometimes intensified by having a counterweight. Without the counterweight you are forced into a less stressed method.

Realize also that without counterweight you can apply more downforce with the loader. This is handy for backdragging, shaving a thin depth, and often digging. Front tire ballast can be a plus here too and without the penalty of its weight being suspended on the front axle.​

Your analysis of stress situations must not be burdened by simplism.

 

[deezler]

Ugh, we've been over this so many times before here. You're not explicitly wrong, but the clear conclusion is that in nearly all cases, rear counterweight reduces weight on the front axle. The rear axle is the pivot point for this load. Unless you still lift the rears off the ground, like you mention. But this is much harder to do with a big ol' counterweight on the rear of the tractor.

 

[wagne223]

Yes, counterweight - distinguished from ballast - is often beneficial. However it is not true that it avoids or lessens abusive stress in all cases. When you think the physical situation thru you can see this.

For instance, in the example given you will back out of the ditch with the rears staying down on the ground - but that rear ground contact could be quite light. ... Perhaps only 1% of the weight of the entire load (counterweight, ballast, tractor, and bucket load). So what is supporting the rest of the weight as you back up? What is providing virtually all the motive force? In this case isnt the counterweight actually enabling abuse to the front end? What about all other cases of backing up?​

Realize that the cases where you stand the tractor on its nose trying to back up without counterweight actually limit stress that would be camouflaged and sometimes intensified by having a counterweight. Without the counterweight you are forced into a less stressed method.

Realize also that without counterweight you can apply more downforce with the loader. This is handy for backdragging, shaving a thin depth, and often digging. Front tire ballast can be a plus here too and without the penalty of its weight being suspended on the front axle.​

Your analysis of stress situations must not be burdened by simplism.

No one can argue the math, and geometry of your statement, however, one can argue that for safety keeping the rear of the tractor on the ground is important. Even if it is only 1 percent.


This is an inexperienced operator, operating in unstable conditions (soft sand). The OP needs a proper counterweight on this machine.

We all know the largest danger on a tractor is a rollover. And we all know rollovers usually occur on soft or sloped ground with a load in the bucket.

 

[wagne223]

Pripyat, just so this does not get lost in a derailment,

PLEASE HANG A BOX BLADE OR BALLAST BOX ON THE 3PH.

We dont want to read about your tractor accident.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Have to agree with wagne223, you need to hang a heavy implement off the back of the tractor asap. I know you loaded water into your rears... maybe that's enough, but why chance it. A 600+ lb implement hanging off the 3-pt give you huge leverage to counter full buckets of sloppy clay like that.

If you lift a rear wheel, it means you're putting nearly the entire tractor, loader, and dirt weight on the front axle alone. If your front wheels are down in a ditch, and you have to reverse, think about how much strain that is on the front drivetrain. No bueno.

If you want to search here and elsewhere, you can easily find threads and pics of peoples exploded front axles. Even worse if Mahindra sees you didn't use rear ballast, warranty might not cover any repairs. Keep your machine planted down!

Yes, counterweight - distinguished from ballast - is often beneficial. However it is not true that it avoids or lessens abusive stress in all cases. When you think the physical situation thru you can see this.

For instance, in the example given you will back out of the ditch with the rears staying down on the ground - but that rear ground contact could be quite light. ... Perhaps only 1% of the weight of the entire load (counterweight, ballast, tractor, and bucket load). So what is supporting the rest of the weight as you back up? What is providing virtually all the motive force? In this case isnt the counterweight actually enabling abuse to the front end? What about all other cases of backing up?​

Realize that the cases where you stand the tractor on its nose trying to back up without counterweight actually limit stress that would be camouflaged and sometimes intensified by having a counterweight. Without the counterweight you are forced into a less stressed method.

Realize also that without counterweight you can apply more downforce with the loader. This is handy for backdragging, shaving a thin depth, and often digging. Front tire ballast can be a plus here too and without the penalty of its weight being suspended on the front axle.​

Your analysis of stress situations must not be burdened by simplism.

Ugh, we've been over this so many times before here. You're not explicitly wrong, but the clear conclusion is that in nearly all cases, rear counterweight reduces weight on the front axle. The rear axle is the pivot point for this load. Unless you still lift the rears off the ground, like you mention. But this is much harder to do with a big ol' counterweight on the rear of the tractor.

No one can argue the math, and geometry of your statement, however, one can argue that for safety keeping the rear of the tractor on the ground is important. Even if it is only 1 percent.


This is an inexperienced operator, operating in unstable conditions (soft sand). The OP needs a proper counterweight on this machine.

We all know the largest danger on a tractor is a rollover. And we all know rollovers usually occur on soft or sloped ground with a load in the bucket.

I didnt address safety in my post because that was not part of the post I responded to. I viewed the OPs stated tractor use and alarm at lifting a rear as indication of his appreciation of the safety issue. Ill say that counterweight held low is never a danger of side rollover unless its so heavy it hampers steering control and instigates some compounding mistakes. However as an effect on mechanical stress it has some pluses and minuses according to the specific - usually loader related - situation.

 

[pripyat]

I 100% agree with everything stated thus far. All my implements that I got for free didn't have any pins. I got the tractor home, went to hook up the box blade, and realized I couldn't. I went to tractor supply and picked up an assortment the next day. I haven't had the rear unloaded since the day after I got my tractor, the day I got some pins.

I take equipment safety seriously and would never remove ROPS and hope I never have to rely on it. I have done plenty of research on tractor safety and understand the dangers surrounding rollover, hydraulics, and rotational forces (PTO). Lifting that load without counterweight was careless, I really just wanted to see how well the tractor dug into the pile (without water in wheels) but once I got the scoop I figured I would go ahead and put it on the pile. That was the only load I lifted that day.. Other than scooping a 6" trench which I don't think really counts.

Anyway, the first pictures were straight from the dealership, I had not altered the air pressure in the tires. The one with the rake is 75% water fill, I think I did 20 in fronts, 15 in rear. If Mahindra had put a recommended tire pressure in the manual I would have gone with that..

 

[SPYDERLK]

I 100% agree with everything stated thus far. All my implements that I got for free didn't have any pins. I got the tractor home, went to hook up the box blade, and realized I couldn't. I went to tractor supply and picked up an assortment the next day. I haven't had the rear unloaded since the day after I got my tractor, the day I got some pins.

I take equipment safety seriously and would never remove ROPS and hope I never have to rely on it. I have done plenty of research on tractor safety and understand the dangers surrounding rollover, hydraulics, and rotational forces (PTO). Lifting that load without counterweight was careless, I really just wanted to see how well the tractor dug into the pile (without water in wheels) but once I got the scoop I figured I would go ahead and put it on the pile. That was the only load I lifted that day.. Other than scooping a 6" trench which I don't think really counts.

Anyway, the first pictures were straight from the dealership, I had not altered the air pressure in the tires. The one with the rake is 75% water fill, I think I did 20 in fronts, 15 in rear. If Mahindra had put a recommended tire pressure in the manual I would have gone with that..

Keep an eye on the fronts when you carry loader capacity.

15 for the rears sounds about right. May be able to go a pound or two lower - at most - and vary it upward according to squat resulting from the 3ph load.

 

[pripyat]

I've got 20hrs on the tractor, i'll be at 50 in a couple weeks. I can get valvoline 80W-90 easily. Any issues using valvoline gear oil and rotella T6 for engine oil?

Also, i'd like to add a third function before I do the service. I dont want an electronic valve, i'd rather add a separate single spool. Any thoughts on what I need to be looking for in the valve?

 

[duffer]

I think you're fine with the Rotella. I've used it for all 8 oil changes I've done on mine, and no issues.
The gear oil should be fine as well, but you could use hydraulic fluid as well. Not sure about your 2545, but my 2538 does just fine with hydraulic fluid in front, rear axles.

Can't comment on the 3rd function. Don't have a need for it.