Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?

   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #21  
........................Once I buy the cheap HF drill press and fab up the mag drill mount, I will use it a whole lot more and it's not my idea actually. One of the posters on the Welding Web fabbed up one and I'm going to copy his and sell my floor drill press, which I don't use much anyway. .............
I saw a setup with an old drill press that I was going to copy. Not long after I retired I asked if the company had any "parts" type drill presses that still had the column and table. They said to stop and pick up a castoff they found out back somewhere. "Take the whole thing. We didn't check anything". It turned out to be a Delta 17-900 with a 3/4" chuck. Runs fine. I chucked up a long piece of round stock and dropped the table to check for runout. Eyeball said it's true. At that point the idea of adapting the mag drill to the drill press was dropped.

I use Stick-Kut for lube. As with the mag drills at work, metal thickness determines the ultimate magnet holding power. Anything 1/4" thick or more works. I forget which brand it was but we had one at work that sensed metal thickness and refused to energize the magnet on thin stuff.

My love for annular cutters started when they were using a mag drill in the one shop to drill bolt holes in I beams in seconds, and making nice clean holes. Occasionally we'd run into needs on a project that exposed us to different tools. We did some wiring on trains for SEPTA and had to rent some larger Huck guns for example.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #22  
If runout is going to break the cutters, maybe the quick attach ones with less run out may be less expensive in the long run? Are there any inexpensive SAE quick attach cutters or should I be prepared to pay for the Houge Fusion ones?
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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#23  
... and I apologize for the mis spelling in the title. Found out that I can edit a post but not a title.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #24  
If runout is going to break the cutters, maybe the quick attach ones with less run out may be less expensive in the long run? Are there any inexpensive SAE quick attach cutters or should I be prepared to pay for the Houge Fusion ones?

If you are referring to my quote about breaking an annular cutter, I blame that on myself, not the run out or quality of the cutter.
I left the lock down screws loose and it is a cheap vice to begin with. I do agree with 5030 there is a bit of induced run out using the 90* set screws but it is a negligible amount as far as causing damage to the cutter imo. I think the looseness of the mounting caused a self reinforcing oscillation of the part and it was to much for the cutter.
I am sure dropping one of the Vevors on concrete would be like dropping a glass cup.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #25  
Something 5030 posted about runout being less with the quick attach cutters is what caught my attention.

But I may not use this enough to justify the Fusion cutters.

Would be nice not having to wrestle a piece of metal onto the drill press not to mention avoiding the use of large drill bits.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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My issue with runout is more focused on the smaller diameter annular cutters with the brazed on carbide inserts more than the high speed no carbide cutters. There isn't a whole lot of 'meat' holding the insert to the parent metal so any induced shock could cause the insert to become loose and fall off and that would render the cutter to be not useable. Why, when using insert tooling on a machine tool, the insert is almost always mechanically clamped to the tool holder and fits in a pocket as well. The cemented in carbide inserts like on cheap boring bars, tend to fail when subjected to shock loads. Been there and did that more than one time. Not really cemented in but brazed on to the parent tool. Why I only use high speed parting tools. 'Cemented' in carbide on parting tools is a recipe for failure and that applies to the smaller diameter annular cutters as well and any runout can cause the cutter to experience a shock load scenario, especially when starting a bore. The quick change spindle head eliminates that because the 'pinch point' if you want to call it that is in 3 places, radially spaced equally, not two like the set screw spindle noses.

Been my experience that machining tolerances at least on Weldon 2 flat shanks varies quite a bit from manufacturer to manufacturer. I bought a set of Jestuous carbide tipped annular cutters before I realized they would not fit my spindle nose (and sent them back and Amazon refunded my money, nice of them actually as I never used them but I did measure the OD of the mounting shanks and they varied from -0.0003 to 0.000 and everywhere in between. I measured them with a very accurate Starrett micrometer in a controlled environment, my climate controlled shop. I double checked them with a set of Starrett dial calipers as well. No 2 were alike in dimension. Any runout can and will cause the cemented carbide insert(s) to fail, like I said, especially on smaller diameter cutters. Why I like the half turn quick change nose on the Vevor I have, what I don't like is the lack of compatible cutters available.

One thing to always keep in mind and that is, when handling annular cutters, especially new ones, wear cotton gloves to protect your digits as they are extremely sharp and don't drop them on any hard surface or the concrete floor as you can blunt the points easily if HSS or knock an insert loose if they are insert cutters. Not like a conventional twist drill at all.

I need to inquire about resharpening them as well. Has to be some sort of jig available to where you can resharpen them and still hold the cutting edges uniform. I sharpen my own end mills on one of the surface grinders in a dedicated jig. Must be one out there for annular cutters as well. Of course a carbide insert cutter would have to be sharpened with a CBN wheel and I have them. I use them when I dress carbide insert chainsaw loops.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #27  
Thank you for the additional information. It's very helpful and appreciated.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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I believe I'll get up early and drive up to Swartz Creek, Michigan to Hougen and be sure the Fusion cutters will fit my mag drill and if they do, I'll buy their SAE set. They are just a tad north and west of Flint, off I-75, or about 85 miles from here.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use?
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If runout is going to break the cutters, maybe the quick attach ones with less run out may be less expensive in the long run? Are there any inexpensive SAE quick attach cutters or should I be prepared to pay for the Houge Fusion ones?
They also make Fusion annular cutters in plain HSS.
 
   / Mag drill, who has one, what brand, what do you do with oy and what brand of annular cutters do you use? #30  
have a milwaukee mag drill, takes 3/4 dia annular cutters but I also machined a arbor for a 3/4 drill chuck, gets used maybe a couple dozen times a year but the handiest tool, picked up some better quality cutters and c cheap set off amazon, also a couple pates 1/2 thick one 10 x 10 and one 22 x 12, the larger I use it as a drill press the smaller has a grid of holes that can be screwed to wooden beams, this was most helpfull when I used screw piles to support the cabin, used the mag drill to punch 3/4 holes for the clamp bolts
 

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