M/F 135 Hydraulics

[cameronjm]

I am helping my son setup his M/F 135 and we would like to add a loader to it. Does anyone know what we are going to need to setup the hydraulics?

Thanks for the help.

Also, what should a used loader go for?

 

[Soundguy]

you trying to tap the internal hyds.. or use a front stinger pump?

if you want to tap the internal hyds.. talk to fwj about the hyd top cover option ports.

otherwise.. the front stinger pumps are pretty common.. if your loader doesn't have a hollow frame/sump.. then you will need to rig up a sump.. that and the OC valving and hoses.. etc.

soundguy

 

[flusher]

I am helping my son setup his M/F 135 and we would like to add a loader to it. Does anyone know what we are going to need to setup the hydraulics?

Thanks for the help.

Also, what should a used loader go for?

Like Soundguy says, use a hydraulic pump attached to the front of the engine.

But be careful. I have a 1964 MF-135 diesel that I bought in Jul06. I'm the 3rd owner. The first owner ran a hydraulic pump off the front and managed to bust the crankshaft where it passes through the front main bearing.

I suppose it's possible to tap the 135 hydraulics that run the 3pt hitch. But the pump is inside the hydraulics and has only 4.5 gpm at 1500 psi with engine running 2000 rpm. Not very much flow or pressure to handle FEL hydraulics. By comparison my 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto) has an external hydraulic pump that delivers 10.5 gpm at 2500 psi. I have the ML250 FEL (6-ft bucket) on the 5525 and even at 10.5 gpm I think the FEL response time is a tad slow.

Also, it's good to have power steering with an FEL. The 135 power-assisted steering is not very impressive. I prefer power steering with a hefty hyd cylinder doing the work like the one on my 5525.

Which brings up the issue of the 135's front axle. It's not particularly strong and you risk axle damage when you have an FEL on the 135. You can compare your axle to the 5525 axle visible in the photo.

Farmwithjunk, our MF-guru, will be along shortly and will point out that his MF-150 is a much better FEL tractor.

I'd think carefully before spending time and money on adding an FEL to your 135.

 

[J_J]

If you are going to use a fan-belt hydraulic pump, something like this would work.

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2009073012525514&item=9-1737&catname=hydraulic

 

[Soundguy]

I suppose it's possible to tap the 135 hydraulics that run the 3pt hitch. But the pump is inside the hydraulics and has only 4.5 gpm at 1500 psi with engine running 2000 rpm. Not very much flow or pressure to handle FEL hydraulics. .

Being a bellypump doesn't hinder tapping it very much.

as for flow / pressure... Like i said.. it will work.. just won't be ideal.

I use the anemic 4gpm hyds on my old ford hundred series machines to run full hyd loaders.. not blindingly fast.. but i can pick up 1200# hay bales ont he front.

Front axle pivot is lighter duty than ideal as you point out... again.. ok for use.. not great for overuse.

soundguy

 

[cameronjm]

So now I need to ask, is it the right thing to add an F/L to this tractor?

 

[studor]

So now I need to ask, is it the right thing to add an F/L to this tractor?

I think you are asking the right question --- I might get myself in trouble with some others saying this but I would not add an FEL to this tractor unless I could find one that was a front pumper that someone was getting rid of and has all the parts. One run off the internals would have to be priced really right before I would think about it. I take it this is the same tractor that is leaking from the weep holes in a previous thread and it appears to be a crank leak. The 135 is a great tractor but the front end is not the best for loader work. Add the cost of the tractor, the cost of the repair to the leak, the cost of the loader and bits and pieces, throw in your own time (even at free) and I am thinking you might consider other alternatives -- like another tractor with an fel on it --JMHO

 

[Soundguy]

So now I need to ask, is it the right thing to add an F/L to this tractor?

is it for you?

Would you rather push a wheel barrow?

Not being ideal, and not being possible are 2 different worlds.

i have loaders on half of my old ford tractors.. none of them have a heavy front axle.. yet.. it's way easier to manipulate hay bales and heavy loads on their loaders vs using a rear spear.. or moving them by hand.

if you want it.. get it... keep in mind the limitations.

I've paid as low as 754 for an old loader.. kep inmind a front pump setup, may cost you over 700$ by the time you piece it...if you could find one being removed and all the parts.. it may be cheaper..

soundguy

 

[Wayne County Hose]

My old Massey Ferguson model 85 has a fel and works just fine. I know, it's not a 135. The steering does get a little hard when I have a bucket full of stone but as long as I'm moving, I can steer. It uses the tractor's internal hydraulics and while it's not a speed demon, it works fine. I did have to reinforce the front axle but I was moving 18 ton of field stone a day with it through the woods. I was a little hard on the old beast.

 

[cameronjm]

I think you are asking the right question --- I might get myself in trouble with some others saying this but I would not add an FEL to this tractor unless I could find one that was a front pumper that someone was getting rid of and has all the parts. One run off the internals would have to be priced really right before I would think about it. I take it this is the same tractor that is leaking from the weep holes in a previous thread and it appears to be a crank leak. The 135 is a great tractor but the front end is not the best for loader work. Add the cost of the tractor, the cost of the repair to the leak, the cost of the loader and bits and pieces, throw in your own time (even at free) and I am thinking you might consider other alternatives -- like another tractor with an fel on it --JMHO

Yes, this is the tractor that had the oil leak. I did a little more research and discovered the tractor was not started in the last 3 years. So we decided to add some oil / seal conditioner and the leak stopped. The tractor is gas with a 3 cylinder engine; the tractor does have power steering and runs really well.

I been looking and I have found 1 really old loader for 150 bucks I am going to look at it this weekend. The seller tells me it will bolt right on but I am a little skeptical remember we are new to tractors and I don稚 want to make a dumb mistake.

Last night we did make a hay-bail lift and a carry-all and now we are going to see how well we did, we are buying round hay bales this weekend, so how much does a round bail weigh I hope not more then a ton

 

[studor]

Glad the leak is fixed!
The loader you are going to look at probably will "bolt right on". Since the 135 was the highest selling model of tractor there is a lot of stuff around for it. The loader could be anything from a manual trip bucket to one with down pressure. The issue you will have is hooking up the hydraulics. If it is coming of a MF 100 series and has hoses and valves it would be wonderful -- otherwise you will need some other parts. If you get Big Deans CD that Flusher referenced in the other thread there is a whole section on it about adding loaders and the hydraulics to operate.
regards

 

[Soundguy]

Post the model number of the loader.. we can find out if it fits that tractor for you.

soundguy

Yes, this is the tractor that had the oil leak. I did a little more research and discovered the tractor was not started in the last 3 years. So we decided to add some oil / seal conditioner and the leak stopped. The tractor is gas with a 3 cylinder engine; the tractor does have power steering and runs really well.

I been looking and I have found 1 really old loader for 150 bucks I am going to look at it this weekend. The seller tells me it will bolt right on but I am a little skeptical remember we are new to tractors and I don稚 want to make a dumb mistake.

Last night we did make a hay-bail lift and a carry-all and now we are going to see how well we did, we are buying round hay bales this weekend, so how much does a round bail weigh I hope not more then a ton

 

[cameronjm]

Here is what we know about the loader:

This loader is off a Ford 9n not sure what year. We think it is a Freeman loader (infomation from previous owner) My father bought the tractor and the loader came with it, he has never assembled it.
The parts appear to be all there frame, loader arms, pump, cylinders, bucket, control valve, trip lever. The frame and loader arms were sandblasted by previous owner.

 

[Soundguy]

can't speak for the fergies.. but the 9n loader front support is a kingpin hanger. not sure what the 135 will want.. IE.. whether it's bolster is setup for hanging a loader.. etc.

likely a torch and weld job if it was amde to fit a 9n.. etc.

soundguy

 

[soulasphil]

No problem to have a FEL on a MF35 using the tractor's hydraulics. All you need to change is the top plate to be replaced by a 3 way valve (3 pt hitch; FEL; dump trailer for instance) still sold by Massey today. No worry at all about the strength of the front axle, it can take quite a lot! I have used a FEL bought from Massey with the tractor in 1960 for 14 years without any issue to dig holes, carry stones and tree trunks, pull out stumps etc.