LS Tractor Floppy Bucket Syndrome?

[brs78660]

So all you LS Tractor owners, how many of you have "Floppy Bucket Syndrome" or even know what that is?

I am sure you have it if you have a LS, because I see so many complain about it and my "dealer" told me it was normal when I asked about it 4+ years ago. I was told they all have that, but what they really meant I guess was all LS tractors have that.

My John Deere 3032 did not have it. I saw a video of a John Deere 1026R on YouTube that had it was it was an issue and John Deere fixed it. I have never had a tractor loader that did it.

So why do they not fix it? Its a pain to deal with if you need to use the loader to grade, level, smooth or cut. What do you think?

If you have no clue what it is, I made a video and put it on YouTube here: LS Tractor Floppy Bucket Syndrome? - YouTube

 

[Diggin It]

A quick search for 'floppy' shows that it affects many colors:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...390-floppy-bucket-f-e-l.html?highlight=floppy

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...linder-gone-flip-floppy.html?highlight=floppy

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...xl-loader-bucket-floppy.html?highlight=floppy

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...ng/418695-floppy-bucket.html?highlight=floppy



Mine does it a bit. Cycling the bucket once or twice usually solves it.

 

[brs78660]

I looked at the search and the only threads I found where about broken tractor loaders. Either bad pins, broken seal or rods. That 1st thread though may show that Kioti may have this issue to. I wonder if they get their loaders from the same maker.

I have had this issue since my tractor was new, but my issue is I was told its normal and that air just gets in the cylinders. Nothing on mine is "broken" per the LS dealer that is warranty and I want to know why LS thinks its ok but other tractors only have this issues if they are broken?

I am making a "Things to check if you are looking at buying an LS Tractor" list for people.

This is one that I just can't stand and I did not check this function until it was too late.

I am trying to make sure people know what to look for when buying a new tractor for the 1st time.

 

[jaydee325]

brs78660, your anti LS vendetta on this website is becoming tiresome and annoying. Please just keep it to boob tube. We all know your thoughts by now.

 

[brs78660]

brs78660, your anti LS vendetta on this website is becoming tiresome and annoying. Please just keep it to boob tube. We all know your thoughts by now.

So I am not welcome to ask questions about LS tractor behavior to other LS tractor owners? Its a legitimate question to see what tractors have this issue. If you are tired of me asking questions, I believe you can block my posts. Have a nice day.

 

[rodneyn]

My dealer addressed my issue with adjustable valve on the curl circuit- about every compact tractor I have owned has had drooping bucket the valving is not as robust as you find on 60-90 hp tractor designed for more than 2 ton lift. I had kioti, kubota did the same issue on drooping bucket. Green Deere was always out of my budget or if I found one it was quite worn out pins loose in bucket and grille busted up. No tread left on front tires. No in between in my neck of the woods.

 

[Underdog57]

I roll my bucket all the way under and hold it there for a few seconds till it gets pressure and hits the relief valve and it cures the problem!

 

[Diggin It]

I have no problem with people venting or seeking the experiences of others. My only fuss is when only links are posted with no discussion.

 

[Doofy]

Get rid of it already! Put it out of your misery.

 

[CADplans]

What you are showing in the video is very common to low cost open center hydraulic circuits,,
The reason the bucket moves like that is air in the hydraulic cylinders, and hoses.

Two $1.50 restrictor fittings will cure the issue, and, depending on how you use the tractor, possibly only one is needed,,

 

[jaydee325]

What you are showing in the video is very common to low cost open center hydraulic circuits,,
The reason the bucket moves like that is air in the hydraulic cylinders, and hoses.

Two $1.50 restrictor fittings will cure the issue, and, depending on how you use the tractor, possibly only one is needed,,

Or, I just hold the lever in dump for an extra 2 seconds and it's solid. No biggie in the overall scheme of things! I mean most of us are not using these low cost machines in a commercial setting. Anyone who is doing commercial work, needs to look up the food chain for a machine that has high performance closed center hydraulics (or equivalent).

There is very little air pulled into the cylinder actually. The weight during dump pulling on the cylinder pulls a void (vacuum) that holding the control valve in dump keeps adding fluid to fill the void until the cylinder is solid.

You are correct, low cost hydraulics to meet a price point is a given. Understanding this prevents most frustration.

 

[TractorGuy]

My JD does it sometime. Only experience it every now and then so not sure the cause or fix. Been told it's in the regenerative portion of the SCV whatever that is.

 

[brs78660]

Get rid of it already! Put it out of your misery.

I am planning on it, but I don't feel right selling it with these issues if they can be fixed. I am fixing the AC and other things I have tried to get fixed under warranty before I try to sell it.

 

[Doofy]

I am planning on it, but I don't feel right selling it with these issues if they can be fixed. I am fixing the AC and other things I have tried to get fixed under warranty before I try to sell it.

Good luck in fixing all those irritating problems. To bad this brand has let you down so badly. If the Dealer can't get off dead center, he is no friend. Way to much buck passing going on.

 

[brs78660]

My JD does it sometime. Only experience it every now and then so not sure the cause or fix. Been told it's in the regenerative portion of the SCV whatever that is.

I had a new John Deere 3032e before this LS and I cut in many driveways; never saw this issue. That tractor was only $17k with loader and shredder. 5 years or so before that I had 12 acres and a Kubota BX2200 with loader and I never saw it do it either. Again, I used it for all kinds of land work. I honestly have never had to deal with that until this LS and its a real pain (or was until I bought the skid steer).

Is this more with the cheaper brands like LS, Kioti, Branson? Does this mean the New Hollands with the same LSMtron body would do it or is it fixed on their loaders?

I am making a LS buyers guide to try and help people at least weed through the basic issues we all see form the start instead of them having to find out all this later as they go. In 2016 there was not much out there other than I love my LS with 5 hours type of videos or forum posts.

 

[brs78660]

Good luck in fixing all those irritating problems. To bad this brand has let you down so badly. If the Dealer can't get off dead center, he is no friend. Way to much buck passing going on.

Thanks. Even though I never outed my LS dealer, they won't respond to me. Its fine though, if they could not fix it before they can't now. I am going to sell this and find me a nice 90s-ish john deere and keep it running myself.

 

[sodamo]

Thanks. Even though I never outed my LS dealer, they won't respond to me. Its fine though, if they could not fix it before they can't now. I am going to sell this and find me a nice 90s-ish john deere and keep it running myself.

But you have identified your dealer. On 1/21 you posted:

I bought my XR4140HC from John. RCO is a good dealer.

Glad to read you considered him a good dealer then, regardless of later posts.

As I see it that was 3-4 years into this tractor, yet never a post seeking info or relating to a problem. You did post you are a long time user, just curious why you read about other issues but chose not to post any. You did post your link to your half done tool box though. Which I like and had hoped for the promised update. Still on my list to do. Toying with idea of doing in 2 sections, strong magnet in middle.

Will you be providing the buyer of your machine with a complete detailed list of issues? Copy of your buyers guide? Can’t imagine you’d get as much as Dealer offered with full disclosure. Guess it’s likely you won’t tell use if you buy that next tractor from a kindred soul.

Often times, there are 3 sides to a story...we are only getting 1 1/2.

Its not your discussion of issues that’s irksome, that can be educational and something we appreciate. Its your overly negative attitude that detracts.

 

[Diggin It]

Its your overly negative attitude that detracts.

Kind of like me and WallyWorld. I have nothing good to say about them. Nothing at all, no matter how well others like them.

 

[mred2]

I think we are looking at a problem with all open systems. Most of the larger and more expensive equipment uses closed systems. Open systems have their issues, but costs less. They are used in a lot more than just LS. I am aware of it, but just curl my bucket. It operates as it always has.

 

[brs78660]

But you have identified your dealer. On 1/21 you posted:

Glad to read you considered him a good dealer then, regardless of later posts.

As I see it that was 3-4 years into this tractor, yet never a post seeking info or relating to a problem. You did post you are a long time user, just curious why you read about other issues but chose not to post any. You did post your link to your half done tool box though. Which I like and had hoped for the promised update. Still on my list to do. Toying with idea of doing in 2 sections, strong magnet in middle.

Will you be providing the buyer of your machine with a complete detailed list of issues? Copy of your buyers guide? Can’t imagine you’d get as much as Dealer offered with full disclosure. Guess it’s likely you won’t tell use if you buy that next tractor from a kindred soul.

Often times, there are 3 sides to a story...we are only getting 1 1/2.

Its not your discussion of issues that’s irksome, that can be educational and something we appreciate. Its your overly negative attitude that detracts.

Wow, good find. I did not know I posted that. I need to update that because I now know that is BS now. I refereed people to them for years even though I was dealing with all this with my tractor because I believed the BS I was being fed. That is back when I still thought they were trying to help me. Basically I was lied to face to face. I got good salesman talk for many years while I was still frustrated with issues. I did not post my issues because I was still under the illusion they were trying to help. I had also planned on selling the tractor years back but I never got it fixed correctly from the dealer.


And for your second part, yes I will actually. I will first FIX the issues. I have the AC compressor on order. I am working on fixing my long time overheating issue myself even though its under warranty. I am trying to find a real fix for the floppy bucket crap loader. I have a list of things I plan to fix before I sell it. What I can't fix I will show the buyer.

Unlike some, I can't bring myself to sell this to someone in its condition. I know what I have dealt with and am not going to dump that on someone. Now I can't offer them hope on longevity, but it will be sold as-is. If I can't sell it I will offload it on a dealer and let them BS the buyer.