LS or Kubota

   / LS or Kubota #61  
The LS brand was only introduced in 2009 so not that many used ones out there. I believe they were labelled as "New Holland" before that. Kubota, OTOH, has been sold in the US under the same name for over 50 years.
Also the Kubotas front axles and trani, on the 3000 series has issues. If you use the FEL to haul some weight, often, the front bearings explode without warning.. At about 300-400 hours. Sometimes it takes out other internal parts by the knuckle. I've had the tractor split twice now because of a faulty gasket in the trani. The new designed part failed at about same time frame. These areas see new Kubota brand fluids every Fall.
 
   / LS or Kubota #62  
I would vote for the LS. They are a somewhat "new kid on the block" when compared to Kubota. Right now, they are a heck of a value. I believe the prices will go up in the future. This happened with Kioti, I experienced it firsthand. LS Mtron is out of South Korea, like many of the other tractor builders (like Kioti). They have been building tractors for a VERY long time. They have built the New Holland Boomer series tractors for as long as I can remember. I just rolled over 50 hours on my LS MT3 57, zero issues. I am sure something will break in the future. I use it heavily for logging around my sawmill. I have tried, but failed to find a weakness thus far. In my experience, problems with tractors are "usually" operator induced. Obviously, not always.. there are the rare cases of flawed workmanship or a weak piece of steel... but overall, tractors get abused and they break. My Kioti was an awesome machine for me, made me a lot of money. But with that said, I had at least 3 front wheel bearing failures (from hauling heavy logs constantly, through rough terrain), had a head gasket blow at 40 hours (Kioti said it was a bad run of gaskets, replaced under warranty), went through 3 ignition switches, several leaking lift cylinders, rear hitch had a leak in the cylinder, seat broke and I had to replace it, cruise control broke at 50 hours, im sure there are more things. But I will still claim it was a great tractor because I used and abused it for 1,300 hours. Almost all of those problems were my fault. Sorry for the long post.. I guess what I am trying to say is, you can have 2 guys with Kubota's. 1 of them will make it to 2,000 hours with zero problems. The other one might have 20 or 30 problems by the time it hits 2,000 hours. Same exact tractors, but the operators use them differently. 1 guy just uses a finish mower behind his, and the other guy uses his in a logging operation. So the first guy might say "Kubota is the best tractor in the world... zero problems in 2,000 hours". And the 2nd guy might say.. "stay away from Kubota, I have had problem after problem". I believe just about every tractor manufacturer out there right now makes a good tractor. It all boils down to how you treat it, and how mechanically inclined you are. Best of luck in your choice, both are great tractors!
 
   / LS or Kubota #63  
I agree ! These second tier tractors never have the support of the major brands . The dealer goes out of business or switches brands and then you’re stuck trying to find parts and support. The tractor itself may not be all that bad but there isn’t enough dealer support or vise versa.
Noticed a fuel leak on my LS P7010C. Split in fuel tank. 770 hrs and 8 years old. Called dealer I bought it from 30+ miles away, not the local ding dong. Part is ordered, it is in stock in NC and should have it next week. Pretty solid service IMHO. Tank is about $750.

Price sucks, but equipment isn't cheap either.

CT
 
   / LS or Kubota #64  
After seeing my friends brand new, New Holland Boomer 55 (LS made) have to go into the dealership for an oil leak… I’d get the Kubota.

We thought it was a rear main seal,
Dealership that did the work said most of the main bolts connecting the engine to the rear end/transmission were coming out. (They had to split the tractor to fix)

The tractor would have eventually split itself if the oil leak was brushed off and not fixed. 👎🏼
 
   / LS or Kubota #65  
The LS brand was only introduced in 2009 so not that many used ones out there. I believe they were labelled as "New Holland" before that. Kubota, OTOH, has been sold in the US under the same name for over 50 years.
Oldsmobile was around for 106 years. Seen an Olds dealer lately? 😵
 
   / LS or Kubota #67  
Funny, I counted 14 Kubota problems in the first 2 most recent pages of the "parts and repair" forum.... Then there were a bunch of JD's, followed by MF.
Only one LS problem, that was a question about a battery.....

I'm not saying they are bad tractors, just that because they are a certain color or brand, they are not exempt from breakdowns. I expect to see more repairs on those brands because there have been more of them sold over the years.

There have been "nightmare stories" about every brand. There are many different uses, operators, maintenance, and other factors that play a major roll in the dependability of any tractor.

YOU need to sit on them, try them out (if possible), and get the features that are important to you. Price, attachments needed, and desired use will be important for YOUR situation .
 
   / LS or Kubota #68  
Too many people make decisions based on anecdotal evidence and often using a single point of data. "My buddy (neighbor, cousin, etc.) had a problem with brand X, so no one else should ever buy brand X, they are junk.". Does not matter if it is tractors, toasters, or toenail clippers.
 
   / LS or Kubota #69  
Too many people make decisions based on anecdotal evidence and often using a single point of data. "My buddy (neighbor, cousin, etc.) had a problem with brand X, so no one else should ever buy brand X, they are junk.". Does not matter if it is tractors, toasters, or toenail clippers.
Well, I mean, seriously, who wants to repeat ingrown toenail-gate of 2014?
 
   / LS or Kubota #70  
Too many people make decisions based on anecdotal evidence and often using a single point of data. "My buddy (neighbor, cousin, etc.) had a problem with brand X, so no one else should ever buy brand X, they are junk.". Does not matter if it is tractors, toasters, or toenail clippers.

Yeah, I would agree with that.
Definitely need to do your homework before buying.

My friend is definitely not selling his 55 boomer anytime soon, the work was covered under warranty ($0 out of pocket) and it’s been a great machine for him otherwise.
 
   / LS or Kubota #72  
If you are buying by a spec sheet, you will be disappointed sooner or later. Expectations have a big impact on your satisfaction as well. I bought another Kubota because I was super familiar with the "responsiveness" of things like the loader control from my previous Kubota. When comparing Kioti's, LS, Massey, etc, it was clear which ones immediately were removed from the list for this reason. If I didn't feel I had as much finesse control with the loader, something I use a lot, it was a no go because I knew it would annoy me forever. As mentioned before, if I can't lift and roll the bucket at the same time in a very control fashion, it's a no go. If you have no real comparison for these types of things it may not be as big of deal.

That being said, and as many have said, go drive them. Use all of the functions. I immediately ruled out the LS due to the location of the hydraulic levers for the 3pt and other rear valves. There were in my opinion inconvenient. You had to reach down and couldn't see what you were grabbing. On many other brands, they are up on the right panel and easily recognizable which is which.

It's also little things like on my Kubota the cylinder lines are ran inside the loader arms and not outside like most others. Protection plates were better placed in my opinion. These are all personal decisions on what is important, but it is clear to me that there is a reason the Kubota is more expensive. I am willing to pay the extra for what I think is important.

I always laugh at the it can lift more argument. Any of these with no ballast is going to raise the backend before it reaches the max load. If you need to lift more, you need a bigger tractor would be my argument.

Many are focused solely on cost and I can understand that. Many also probably don't care if things are a bit "rougher" in finish overall. Hell, if you just want to buy the cheapest tractor with the most function, go find a Belarus. My uncle bought one in the 80's and still uses it. It's rougher than hell and I hate it, but it runs and works.
 
   / LS or Kubota #74  
If you are buying by a spec sheet, you will be disappointed sooner or later. Expectations have a big impact on your satisfaction as well. I bought another Kubota because I was super familiar with the "responsiveness" of things like the loader control from my previous Kubota. When comparing Kioti's, LS, Massey, etc, it was clear which ones immediately were removed from the list for this reason. If I didn't feel I had as much finesse control with the loader, something I use a lot, it was a no go because I knew it would annoy me forever. As mentioned before, if I can't lift and roll the bucket at the same time in a very control fashion, it's a no go. If you have no real comparison for these types of things it may not be as big of deal.

That being said, and as many have said, go drive them. Use all of the functions. I immediately ruled out the LS due to the location of the hydraulic levers for the 3pt and other rear valves. There were in my opinion inconvenient. You had to reach down and couldn't see what you were grabbing. On many other brands, they are up on the right panel and easily recognizable which is which.

It's also little things like on my Kubota the cylinder lines are ran inside the loader arms and not outside like most others. Protection plates were better placed in my opinion. These are all personal decisions on what is important, but it is clear to me that there is a reason the Kubota is more expensive. I am willing to pay the extra for what I think is important.

I always laugh at the it can lift more argument. Any of these with no ballast is going to raise the backend before it reaches the max load. If you need to lift more, you need a bigger tractor would be my argument.

Many are focused solely on cost and I can understand that. Many also probably don't care if things are a bit "rougher" in finish overall. Hell, if you just want to buy the cheapest tractor with the most function, go find a Belarus. My uncle bought one in the 80's and still uses it. It's rougher than hell and I hate it, but it runs and works.

I have to laugh at these passive aggressive posts towards anything that is not Kubota
Let's break it down:

1) Specs are specs. An LS will lift 30-40% more than a similar sized Kubota. Period. Yes, you need proper ballast (an easy fix). That's the point. If you want to lift a certain amount, you don't have to buy the next bigger sized frame, as you suggest.

2) LS will lift/curl at the same time, same as a Kubota. When I operated both, I personally couldn't tell a difference in the "finesse". Perhaps each user is different? (i.e., blanket statements that imply one is superior/inferior are disingenuous).

3) The little things ... LS loader lines are run interior to the loader arms. 3pt and remote controls are right beside the loader. I'm not sure what you are referring to about needing to "reach down"? Maybe the LS model you looked at was the economy line (not an apples to apples comparison)?

4) Rougher finish. Please point to what, exactly, is a rougher finish? In crawling all over both Kubota and LS, I have found no noticeable differences. Some things might be slightly nicer on one, other things on the other. But, these type of derogatory, qualitative (not quantitative) statements are pointless, and do nothing other than reveal personal biases.

5) "Many are focused on cost." Yes, because as P.T. Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every minute." Perhaps you are just trying to justify overspending?

6) I will agree, as others have said as well, it IS crucially important to set on them and find out what you like, dislike, how the ergonomics are, etc. For example, I found the LS had a lower roof in the cab. If I was 6'4", that probably would have been a deal breaker. But, I'm nowhere near that tall, and the lower roof allows me to just fit it into my garage, which was a major bonus. Oh, and the total tractor height, which was very important to me, was on the spec sheet.
 
   / LS or Kubota #75  
Funny, I counted 14 Kubota problems in the first 2 most recent pages of the "parts and repair" forum.... Then there were a bunch of JD's, followed by MF.
Only one LS problem, that was a question about a battery.....

I'm not saying they are bad tractors, just that because they are a certain color or brand, they are not exempt from breakdowns. I expect to see more repairs on those brands because there have been more of them sold over the years.

There have been "nightmare stories" about every brand. There are many different uses, operators, maintenance, and other factors that play a major roll in the dependability of any tractor.

YOU need to sit on them, try them out (if possible), and get the features that are important to you. Price, attachments needed, and desired use will be important for YOUR situation .
If a high percentage of tractors out there are Kubotas, of course there are going to be more problems with them. They also have been around longer, and some of the tractors you refer to are older than the LS brand. That wouldn’t scare me toward or away from either brand.
As somebody else mentioned, LS is the new kid on the block, and is trying to get market share. Ten years from now I dont believe that you will be see the price difference which you do now. I wouldn’t buy an LS for one reason; I knew the local dealer when he operated a transmission repair service. When he shakes your hand, you’d better make darned sure you get all of your fingers back. A friend’s son also bought a tractor from him when they were green and called Montana... I’ve never heard of being charged for warranty work when the front axle sheared off.
Dealer issues have nothing to do with the tractor though.

edit; your bias is showing. I just counted 10 Kubota problems in the first 80 posts. The most common threads seemed to be about Fords... how long has it been since that name changed to New Holland?
 
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   / LS or Kubota #76  
   / LS or Kubota #77  
I have to laugh at these passive aggressive posts towards anything that is not Kubota
Let's break it down:

1) Specs are specs. An LS will lift 30-40% more than a similar sized Kubota. Period. Yes, you need proper ballast (an easy fix). That's the point. If you want to lift a certain amount, you don't have to buy the next bigger sized frame, as you suggest.

2) LS will lift/curl at the same time, same as a Kubota. When I operated both, I personally couldn't tell a difference in the "finesse". Perhaps each user is different? (i.e., blanket statements that imply one is superior/inferior are disingenuous).

3) The little things ... LS loader lines are run interior to the loader arms. 3pt and remote controls are right beside the loader. I'm not sure what you are referring to about needing to "reach down"? Maybe the LS model you looked at was the economy line (not an apples to apples comparison)?

4) Rougher finish. Please point to what, exactly, is a rougher finish? In crawling all over both Kubota and LS, I have found no noticeable differences. Some things might be slightly nicer on one, other things on the other. But, these type of derogatory, qualitative (not quantitative) statements are pointless, and do nothing other than reveal personal biases.

5) "Many are focused on cost." Yes, because as P.T. Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every minute." Perhaps you are just trying to justify overspending?

6) I will agree, as others have said as well, it IS crucially important to set on them and find out what you like, dislike, how the ergonomics are, etc. For example, I found the LS had a lower roof in the cab. If I was 6'4", that probably would have been a deal breaker. But, I'm nowhere near that tall, and the lower roof allows me to just fit it into my garage, which was a major bonus. Oh, and the total tractor height, which was very important to me, was on the spec sheet.
I looked at an MT573 I believe. Think it is one of their premium models.

I don't think I am being disingenuous at all. These are simply my opinions based on my personal experience and considerations. We all have opinions. I don't care what he buys or spends his money on, just giving my thoughts on it which is what he asked. I didn't say the LS was a bad tractor, simply a couple of the reasons I didn't choose it.

I also didn't state why I chose the Kubota which was also more reasons than listed. You have an LS and like it, good for you. I have a Kubota and like it, good for me.

He will choose what he thinks fits him best, good for him. Pretty simple.
 
   / LS or Kubota #78  
I looked at an MT573 I believe. Think it is one of their premium models.

I don't think I am being disingenuous at all. These are simply my opinions based on my personal experience and considerations. We all have opinions. I don't care what he buys or spends his money on, just giving my thoughts on it which is what he asked. I didn't say the LS was a bad tractor, simply a couple of the reasons I didn't choose it.

I also didn't state why I chose the Kubota which was also more reasons than listed. You have an LS and like it, good for you. I have a Kubota and like it, good for me.

He will choose what he thinks fits him best, good for him. Pretty simple.
What is disingenuous is when you state your opinion, while slandering every other brand that isn't what you have. It's especially problematic when those "opinions" are expressed using factually incorrect information, like lever placement and hose routing on the LS.

While that may have been the case for an MT573, that's not what the OP is looking at. So, to use that as a comparison point is, disingenuous.

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but I get annoyed by the Kubota fan boys that continually bad mouth every other brand.

As you said, buy what works for you. Hopefully the OP will. But my concern is that often times, new posters just simply get bad, and factually incorrect advice from posters. That doesn't help anyone.
 
   / LS or Kubota #79  
What is disingenuous is when you state your opinion, while slandering every other brand that isn't what you have. It's especially problematic when those "opinions" are expressed using factually incorrect information, like lever placement and hose routing on the LS.

While that may have been the case for an MT573, that's not what the OP is looking at. So, to use that as a comparison point is, disingenuous.

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but I get annoyed by the Kubota fan boys that continually bad mouth every other brand.

As you said, buy what works for you. Hopefully the OP will. But my concern is that often times, new posters just simply get bad, and factually incorrect advice from posters. That doesn't help anyone.
I bought a Kubota because the only full service dealers within 30 miles are Kubota and JD. The is a LS dealer 250 miles away, but they are more of a feed store that happens to sell tractors.
 
   / LS or Kubota #80  
What is disingenuous is when you state your opinion, while slandering every other brand that isn't what you have. It's especially problematic when those "opinions" are expressed using factually incorrect information, like lever placement and hose routing on the LS.

While that may have been the case for an MT573, that's not what the OP is looking at. So, to use that as a comparison point is, disingenuous.

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but I get annoyed by the Kubota fan boys that continually bad mouth every other brand.

As you said, buy what works for you. Hopefully the OP will. But my concern is that often times, new posters just simply get bad, and factually incorrect advice from posters. That doesn't help anyone.
I didn't slander anyone. Yes, maybe the one I looked at wasn't exactly like the one he may be looking at, but the general points that many have made remain the same. Go sit on them, drive them, use the functions, and decide for yourself what is most important. We are simply pointing out things we decided were important to us.

As much as us Kubota fan boys are apparently bad mouthing every other brand, the other brand guys sure seem to get butthurt quick when others point out something they don't like about that brand.
 

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