Looking at a DK45SE

[markandkristi]

Im in the market for a tractor with loader in the 40-50HP range and checked out Kioti. I liked what I saw and was quoted a price of $24,995. It is just the tractor and loader (does not have the HST). Im wanting to make a cash offer and am also interested in the pallet forks but not sure what kinda deals Kioti usually makes. I know I can get 2-2500 rebates at JD and Kubota. I like the Kioti the best but I like the Kubota MX4800. I was thinking of offering 22500 plus the forks but not sure if that is too low or what. Thanks for any pricing info.

 

[BethelHntr]

Welcome, That price sounds about right, I believe my dk40 was 22,500 ish. Kioti builds a good tractor, I have had this one for a little over a year and it has done everything I have asked it to and more with zero issues.
I don't know how much wiggle room your dealer has but I know these tier 3 kioti's are on short supply, The tier 4's are already out and about. As for pallet forks check out titan distributors, They build quality attachments at really good prices with free shipping. Their 60 inch skid steer forks work real well on my dk40.

Good luck.

 

[IslandTractor]

Haven't checked prices recently. 22500 sounds about right for the tractor assuming the first price was "list". 10% discount shouldn't be too hard to get so long as the dealer is realistic. Some small dealers don't discount much (which explains why they are small). A set of adjustable frame forks rated to 4000 or so pounds can be had for $500-600 alone so expect some discount as a package.

Make sure you don't want HST. Especially if you will be doing a lot of loader work.

 

[markandkristi]

Yeah I just want the regular transmission. Im not a big fan of the fancier tranny in a tractor but then again I havent owned one either. The dealer told me about the tier 3 motors and all the Kubotas had the dpf. The pallet forks at the dealer ran I believe he said $850 and were 48" rated at 3000#. Figure Id just lay the cash down and say to throw the forks in and walk away if he starts squirming. The Kubota dealer is only about 5 miles from him and Id be happy with either but on paper the Kioti just feels better. When he mentioned price I just asked him what the tractor ran and thats when he said but never mentioned cash discounts or anything so I figure 10% plus the forks sounds fair to me. I may check out the Titan ones. Back to the transmission, why no HST for the loader if I may ask. Also they stated they would put whatever tires I wanted on it at no charge. Should I stick with industrial or go with the Ag tires. Kubota said they would do whatever tires and fill for free so Ill mention the filling to Kioti also. Thanks again.

 

[BethelHntr]

That hst tranny whine would drive me nuts.

 

[k0ua]

That hst tranny whine would drive me nuts.

The larger Kioti's have a very minimal HST whine. I cannot usually hear mine in the lower ranges.. Only have some in HI range when under load. It is not objectionable at all.

 

[murphy1244]

The larger Kioti's have a very minimal HST whine. I cannot usually hear mine in the lower ranges.. Only have some in HI range when under load. It is not objectionable at all.

I really can't hear any whine. Now my Ventrac has some Wine!!

 

[k0ua]

I really can't hear any whine. Now my Ventrac has some Wine!!

The neighbor had a BX for a while, now that little fella has some whine.

 

[mikehaugen]

My neighbor has a bobcat (ct225 or something) I'm about 700 feet of him. When he mows I barely hear the engine or mower, but the hst whine is quite loud and annoying.

 

[IslandTractor]

Tire type, ballast amount and type as well as transmission type are all best discussed in the context of specific planned uses.

Plowing: Ags, lots of tire ballast and gear.
Mowing: R4 or turf, little or no ballast and either transmission.
Lots of loader work: R4, lots of tire ballast and HST
General mixed duty: R4, some ballast (mixed fluid, wheel weights plus just keeping something heavy and compact on the 3PT, tranny is personal here but IMO it is notable that very few HST owners wish they bought gear.

 

[k0ua]

Tire type, ballast amount and type as well as transmission type are all best discussed in the context of specific planned uses.

Plowing: Ags, lots of tire ballast and gear.
Mowing: R4 or turf, little or no ballast and either transmission.
Lots of loader work: R4, lots of tire ballast and HST
General mixed duty: R4, some ballast (mixed fluid, wheel weights plus just keeping something heavy and compact on the 3PT, tranny is personal here but IMO it is notable that very few HST owners wish they bought gear.

What he said ^^

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Nothing againist the MX4800, but it is an economy tractor where as the DKs are a deluxe machine. You will get 8 gears with the Kubota and 12 with the Kioti. That by itself is a good enough reason to get the Kioti when getting a gear machine. Telescoping 3pt link ends and stabilizers are std on the Kioti and an option with the Kubota.

When looking at these 2 machines, really look and compare, not at just the prices, they are very different from each other.

 

[TJP89]

Nothing againist the MX4800, but it is an economy tractor where as the DKs are a deluxe machine. You will get 8 gears with the Kubota and 12 with the Kioti. That by itself is a good enough reason to get the Kioti when getting a gear machine. Telescoping 3pt link ends and stabilizers are std on the Kioti and an option with the Kubota.

When looking at these 2 machines, really look and compare, not at just the prices, they are very different from each other.

I just was looking at the DK45, MtViewRanch nailed it. Kioti wasn't even on my radar when I started looking, but the features sold me. I ended up with a CK for size reasons. As for price, 22500 sounds right for a mech tranny. 24K is high, that's what I had for a financed HST with tax. If you want a loader, get the HST if at all possible. The whine only appears under heavy load in M, and at high speed in H, never in L. Little pricier, but worth it with the loader. Traction and power loss is negligible, at least for me. I would say $23500 or $24000 max with loader and HST, 22500 with mech. That's just my experience though, and I'm by no means an expert.

 

[markandkristi]

Based on all the info Ive found it seems like the Kioti is the way I need to go. Main uses will be bushhogging and general light weight work around or 7.5 acres including discing garden areas, moving brush and things along that line. We are fixing to be building a shop and the front end loader will come in handy lifting and carrying material.

 

[murphy1244]

Based on all the info Ive found it seems like the Kioti is the way I need to go. Main uses will be bushhogging and general light weight work around or 7.5 acres including discing garden areas, moving brush and things along that line. We are fixing to be building a shop and the front end loader will come in handy lifting and carrying material.

If you get the DK 45 your gonna luv that 401 loader. 2780lbs of liftoff!!!!!

 

[markandkristi]

The Kioti has so many features that are lacking on similarly priced tractors. The dealer is about 40 miles from me but we are in the country and everything is 10-40 miles from us. One good thing is all the dealers have said free delivery, why wasted my diesel haha!!! Im hoping early to middle of next week Ill be going back to the dealer to make my offer. In the meantime Im gonna gather as much info as I can. Thanks alot for everyones input.

 

[murphy1244]

Have them install some Bucket hooks inline with the loader arms and one in the center.

 

[markandkristi]

Do they charge for the hooks or will they throw them in? Ive got 2 welding machines and was planning on doing them myself along with a ball on the bucket to move my trailer around. Does Kioti typically charge for filling tires? The only tractor I havent compared this one to is Mahindra but we looked there first but not in this range and the sales people, well actually I wouldnt call them that cause a salesman actually tries to make a sell, wouldnt even get out from behind his desk. We had to go in and look for someone for assistance and he didnt offer anything so that dealer kind of left me sour about them. Had heard alot of good things about Mahindra too. Anyway Ive already got a 5' bush hog, 5' box blade, 5' grader blade, middle buster and a tandem 16 cutter disc so with a loader and pallet forks I should be able to tackle pretty much anything that comes my way. I love my Deutz Allis btw and it has been more than capable for the things Ive let it do but I know its limitations and I just need something a little bigger.

 

[George2615]

Do they charge for the hooks or will they throw them in? Ive got 2 welding machines and was planning on doing them myself along with a ball on the bucket to move my trailer around. Does Kioti typically charge for filling tires? The only tractor I havent compared this one to is Mahindra but we looked there first but not in this range and the sales people, well actually I wouldnt call them that cause a salesman actually tries to make a sell, wouldnt even get out from behind his desk. We had to go in and look for someone for assistance and he didnt offer anything so that dealer kind of left me sour about them. Had heard alot of good things about Mahindra too. Anyway Ive already got a 5' bush hog, 5' box blade, 5' grader blade, middle buster and a tandem 16 cutter disc so with a loader and pallet forks I should be able to tackle pretty much anything that comes my way. I love my Deutz Allis btw and it has been more than capable for the things Ive let it do but I know its limitations and I just need something a little bigger.

Depending on how much they want to make a sale some dealers may load the tires for free, some may charge for that service.
If it was me I'd make the cash offer and have him include loading the tires, or the cash offer plus a set of factory service and parts manuals (unless you never plan on doing your own work on it). They will come in handy later. I'd also buy my own forks and weld on my own hooks, but that's just me.

 

[markandkristi]

You wouldnt try to barter a set of forks in with the cash price? My plan is 22500 for tractor, fel and forks, loaded tires and now hooks. May be wishful thinking for all but we will see.