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SI2305

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Hi all,

I am getting ready for some fall cleanup, particularly leaf collection. Due to my back issues and a recent bout of pneumonia, I am severely physically compromised. My recent hospitalization has all but ruled out all but the cheapest of options. I have been looking at leaf blowers (not the handheld type) and especially something like a truck loader. From what I can find on the internet, all of these type of options cost thousands that I do not have. I do own a troy-built hand held blower-vac that I thought of converting into a poor man's truck loader, but I wonder what others might have in mind.

I do have some lengths of 4" black piping that might be slit enough to fit the suction end of the blower but I know that it will not be a nice sealed fit. I don't know if this will be an issue, but I would appreciate any input.

SI2305
 
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How many acres of leaves to remove?
What type of truck are you thinking of loading?
What is your limit on cost?
What is the blower that you mention? Brand/model/pic?

I've used a Deere MC519 cart for the last 15 years, so the cost per year is quite low. Just drive, ride, and use hydraulic dump into the woods or on a trailer on about 4-5 acres of leaf area. Usually do leaves 3-4 times as they build up.

Sorry to hear about the dilema, and may be the time to hire it done until things improve.
 
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Beenthere,

I am only clearing about an acre at the most. I have a leaf blower/vac, Troy built. Its not a super machine, but it does its basic job OK. My thought was to attach it to my 8' trailer that I will be pulling with my JD2305. Normally, the leaf vac does a decent job of hauling up leaves, but the bagging attachment is quite limiting for all but the smallest of piles. My thought was to bungee the leaf vac to the trailer, replace the normal vac attachment with a longer, more flexible piece of 4" black corrugated tubing and rake the leaves (previously arranged into either piles or windrows) into the tube opening. On the outlet side I would leave the bagging in place, but leave it unzipped so as to control the discharge.

My concerns:

1) will the corrugated nature of the piping cause the leaves to bunch up?

2) due to my recent illness, I don't have a lot of money to spend so every cent I can derive from home is more important than ever before. My tubing is slotted. The slots are really more like 1" long slits, but I am still thinking about leaking airflow. Will this be an issue over say 6' of tubing that is lifting leaves perhaps 4' high before shredding and discharge.

I appreciate your input and your concern over my health. Thanks.

SI2305
 
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In a pinch like this I would save my energy and just mow and remow over the leaves with the mower. Let the wind take care of the mulched leaves and what doesn't blow away, will provide nutrients for next year. Then things can get better. :)

I don't see a good way to make the blower vac work well with the corrugated tubing. But may be worth a go at it just to be sure. Just sounds like a real good workout to me.
 
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beenthere said:
...Let the wind take care of the mulched leaves and what doesn't blow away, will provide nutrients for next year. Then things can get better. :)
.

Ditto this one. Don't expend energy getting rid of quality soil nutrients.
Mike
 
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I put a mulch kit on my mower which does a decent job of breaking up the leaves, much easier than carting them around.
 
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I dunno what a mulch kit is for a mower, but I do know if you take a piece of 1/8" plate and secure it so as to cover the discharge on your mower it will mulch the leaves to little bits of nothing.

I dont recomend if you are not sure what you are doing but if you are handy around your garage this may be a cheap option.

best regards and hope your health improves
Eric
 
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Ok, I think I should make my intentions clear,

I actually "harvest" leaves from my very friendly neighbor's yard. If they do not get picked up, they clog the inadequate ditches in our hilly countryside and the road takes a beating, to say nothing of the danger of driving on wet leaves driven onto the road by heavy rains. I also get to harvest his pine needles for my blueberries.

I also actively use the leaves/clippings in my compost piles and garden beds which I would like to get back up to speed this summer. I have found no better nutrient source for my garden than a nice layer of leaves that helps keep the weeds down and the worms happy and the soil moist. To me, leaves are a resource and I hate to see them wash away or get burned.

With that established, I did a little searching around the house and found a few odds and ends that I think can be used to mount my little leaf blower-vac. Due to my maladies I plan on using the blower far more than in the past (usually I would just rake) in order to collect the leaves into a collection. At that point I am thinking I can mount the vac, attach the tubing (I might be able to cover those annoying slits after all) and rake material towards the 4" opening. My main concern is whether I will have enough suction to move leaves through a 6' long rough surface and move it up about 4' high. If this works, I have a truck loader for the price of a role of duct tape. If not, well, nothing ventured nothing gained. I still plan on making this modification--its just in my blood & bones to make/invent/fix things--but having people to bounce ideas off of is immensely helpful in the creative process. On another note, whatever my health is, this is something I enjoy doing so anything that will help that helps me.

As always, thanks to all for any and all advice/tips/ and shared stories. That, after all is what this forum is all about.

Thanks to all,

SI2305
 
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EMB5530 said:
I dunno what a mulch kit is for a mower, but I do know if you take a piece of 1/8" plate and secure it so as to cover the discharge on your mower it will mulch the leaves to little bits of nothing.

That's pretty much exactly what JD gives you the 'opportunity' to pay a couple hundred bucks for...
 
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If your corrugated pipe was solid it might work but I am guessing that most of the static lift would be lost and suction would be minimal. I don't know how you could seal all the slits in your drainage tile for this project. Duct tape is the handyman's best friend so it may help here.
 
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Success!

I just got done with my first test. I tediously covered all of those slits with little strips of duct tape about 1' long by 1/4" wide. It took an afternoon of cutting and taping, but the entire piece of tubing is now all but hermetically sealed. I took the unit outside with the tubing attached to the blower with a piece of bungee cord I found laying around the house, started the leaf vac up and to my surprise it gobbled up leaves wet and dry, big and small. my biggest surprise (and potential source of danger) was when the shredded material flew at me with a vengeance! So for now, no problems with suction. Step two will be to mount the vac on the trailer.

If it works, I've got a $5 truck loader!

SI2305
 
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Success!

I just got done with my first test. I tediously covered all of those slits with little strips of duct tape about 1' long by 1/4" wide. It took an afternoon of cutting and taping, but the entire piece of tubing is now all but hermetically sealed. I took the unit outside with the tubing attached to the blower with a piece of bungee cord I found laying around the house, started the leaf vac up and to my surprise it gobbled up leaves wet and dry, big and small. my biggest surprise (and potential source of danger) was when the shredded material flew at me with a vengeance! So for now, no problems with suction. Step two will be to mount the vac on the trailer.

If it works, I've got a $5 truck loader!

SI2305

heck yes
persistence pays huh
even if it is 1'x1/4" of an inch at a time:)
 
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My 27hp Husqy does a marvelous job of turning leaves to mulch. :thumbsup:
 
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Considering your physical issues (which are temporary) and the fact that you have only an acre to clean up, I suggest you save any money in buying new or modifying equipment and hire a local handyman to remove those leaves (using your blower).
Maybe a neighbor with a mower/vacuum could help...
 
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When you get it setup....sure would like to see some pics:thumbsup:
 
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Hizoot and others,

You bet I'll post some pics. Actually, given my ailments--particularly recovery from pneumonia, I need to build back some strength, and I can find few ways better than to do something I love to do--in this case, not so much the raking but just knowing that I am adding to my garden's fertility. As I have stated before, I am not really an organic gardener, but I have always loved the idea of using my land's own bounty to increase its fertility, maybe that makes me an organic gardener, maybe it doesn't, but since these wonderful leave were going to be lost anyway, I consider this a win. I love using leaves in my garden. they make a great top-dressing and they help my suppress weeds (I hate weeding so I lay down a layer of newspaper and old computer paper as a weed barrier. This takes care of all but a tiny number of weeds and by that point, pulling out a weed becomes a trivial issue, not a chore). I still need a good organic layer above and below the barrier. Above to hold down the barrier, below to allow some aeration--besides, the worms love the leaves and help me out for free God bless the tiny little wigglers. Further, the exercise will do me plenty good in helping me regain my lost strength.

Basically the Blower/vac will be used two ways. First to "round up" the leaves into piles or windrow in its traditional capacity. Then, I plan to mount it temporarily my 8' trailer (2.5' high sides) and gently rake the pile/windrow into the tube opening. If it works anything like it did in my tests, there should be no problem whatsoever sucking up the leaves and shredding them as in my tests it eagerly sucked up both wet and dry leaves and reduced them to confetti and then blasted the bits right back in my face!


Anyway, thats my plan and I am sticking to it,

SI2305
 
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Anyway, thats my plan and I am sticking to it,

SI2305

SI2305,

Can I interrupt for a moment to ask how you use pine needles for the blueberries.

I LOVE Blueberries and am planning an entire hedge of them (I only have a couple now).

But I have 42 acres of mostly Loblolly Pine and I have pine needles EVERYWHERE and I would love to have a use for them.

Thanks in advance, and I hope and pray you are feeling better soon!
David
 
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MossflowerWoods,

Basically, the main issue with planting blueberries is getting the soil Ph right. They love a nice acidic soil that will dissolve iron for them which they need in copious amounts. If you are going to plant a hedge of blueberries--I have something similar--I would first collect as many pine needles as I could and just lay them down on the ground in a nice large windrow. The longer they sit there, the better. This by itself will probably not do the whole trick for you but you will have a start.

When you go to actually plant, get some nice sandy loam with plenty of organic matter if possible and also consider a drip irrigation system as these little guys do NOT like to be dried out. You will also have to add an acidifier. Ammonium sulfate works nearly instantaneously but can cause issues with fertilization, even if it is a natural fertilizer like the Epsoma brands. Elemental sulfur will also get the job done but it takes longer, lasts longer and in my own opinion is the better alternative. You will want to do a very thorough Ph check before you plant, but when you do, rake off the pine needle windrow dig your hole, add your amended soil and recover with the pine needles. You may even wish to add some sulfur away from the drip zone as it will eventually become available to the blueberry plant. The pine needles will act as an excellent weed inhibitor as they will tend to make the ground too acidic for all but the hardiest of weeds. They will also act like any mulch and tend to keep the soil moist but not soaking. Some weeds will get through, but they come out easily and don't tend not propagate themselves.

Check nursery catalogs carefully for blueberry plants that are suitable for your area. Most Blueberries love a cold climate, but I live in Southern Illinois which is farther south than St. Louis or Washington D.C. Nonetheless, you can find blueberries that grow as far south as Florida. Also, when planting, do NOT fertilize. Most growers recommend not fertilizing until the second year. When I do fertilize, I use the Epsoma acid fertilizer--works like a charm.

One last item. I mentioned it before, but these plants are really picky about soil moisture, especially in their early years. I have ordered from a company called Dripworks and they sell every conceivable type of irrigation product. I use a type called the Katif emitter that was apparently pioneered by Israeli farmers growing strawberries in the desert. These emitters are pressure regulated so they emit the same amount of water regardless of height differential or run length and cost a mere 25 cents apiece (I use ones that run 1/2 gallon per hour--a nice, steady, slow drip). I don't want to sound like a catalogue, salesperson or advertisement, but my experience with them has been excellent. These emitters have allowed me to keep my soil moist but not soaking in virtually every type of weather--rain, or more likely in our area, blistering heat of summer combined with months-long drought.

I hope this helps you. Those needles do come in very handy and will help to maintain a consistent Ph, but you certainly want to check up on them in the first couple of years. As they start to rot and break down, the blueberries will send their shallow roots right into the crumbly material. Good luck on your project and thanks for your concern regarding my health. I sincerely mean that last statement as these comments on this board have helped me keep going and get my strength back

SI2305
 
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Zebra, the 5$ truckloader!

Here are some pictures of the truck loader I have been working on. The whole project cost a whopping $5--and that was for a role of duct tape! I left the canvas bag to direct the flow of leaves into the trailer and to slow their exit so as to not create a leaf clipping tornado. I call it the Zebra because of the stripes from all the little strips of duct tape used to cover all the little slits on the tubing.

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