New member have a question, l took delivery of my new L2501 with Fel and land pride 1060 grapple, lp 3rd function valve, bh77 backhoe as you can imagine i was excited to use my new toy. During the course of explaining how to use the backhoe he had to reach down and manually uncouple the hyd lines and switch them around and recouple to make the bh77 work thus disabling the loader he said I would have to do that every time I wanted to use either one I told him I had never seen anyone on any video I had watched do that and that was unacceptable and to take it back and make both work at the same time. Am I missing something here or did they mess up on the setup. Thanks
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Fallon
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Sounds like crap to me. I can see bypassing the 3pt as you can't use it with the hoe on, but not the loader. Every backhoe I've ever used needed the bucket to be lowered for proper stability while digging. Sounds like they plumbed things in wrong.
When my dealer was putting my l6060 together they said when they put the backhoe on the loader stopped working I believe, there was something not working. So they had to replumb the hydraulics to make it work.
Then when I got it and was using the BH92 it started leaking from the relief valves. They took it back in and said they increased the size of some hose and added a tee after talking to their Kubota rep.
I am still having issues when using my grapple the backhoe leaks. No issues with the hoe on.
I suspect they have something plumbed something wrong according to what I was told the couple times I had issues.
Then when I got it and was using the BH92 it started leaking from the relief valves. They took it back in and said they increased the size of some hose and added a tee after talking to their Kubota rep.
I am still having issues when using my grapple the backhoe leaks. No issues with the hoe on.
I suspect they have something plumbed something wrong according to what I was told the couple times I had issues.
I just thought of something as I was walking around and had the epiphany that you obviously can’t use the backhoe without the loader since you need the loader to pick up on the front slightly according to the backhoe manual. I’m puzzled why your dealer thought that was ok?!? Sorry just had to post that after that random thought hit my brain. It would be different if it was the third function and they made that statement, but that still should be able to be resolved.
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Yeah, they messed something up. The backhoe runs off the power-beyond loop and that runs through the front loader valve block on it's way to the 3-pt hitch (which is always last in line). When you install a backhoe or rear remotes, they get inserted in the PB loop between the front loader and the 3-pt. Everything can work with everything else attached. Sounds like they failed at the basic task of installing the backhoe supply lines.
Now if the grapple and backhoe were the two items that were competing, then I can understand that. Not necessary to do it that way, but certainly possible -- it means they just installed one set of accessory ports in the PB loop and it's either the backhoe or the grapple. Did you mean to say grapple when you said front loader?
Now if the grapple and backhoe were the two items that were competing, then I can understand that. Not necessary to do it that way, but certainly possible -- it means they just installed one set of accessory ports in the PB loop and it's either the backhoe or the grapple. Did you mean to say grapple when you said front loader?
trihounds
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My BH77 and grapple can function at the same time without connecting / disconnecting anything. I had to get a custom connection plumbed into the power beyond "mid stream" for the backhoe as the original connection, IIRC, gets taken up by the 3rd function. If I am right, your installer cut the step of re-plumbing the backhoe back into the PB and are probably asking you to re-connect the hoses every time from the original connection where your 3rd function now sits. That's my guess, I could be wrong...
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Apparently the step that was skipped was reading the install instructions.
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When I installed the rear remotes on my L3200, I learned several things:
1) the Kubota instructions had several major errors. It was apparent whoever wrote the instructions was working on a tractor with remotes *and* backhoe, and they completely botched the instructions for non-backhoe cases. They obviously didn't understand what they were doing on a fundamental level. It was only because I sanity check myself that I knew something was wrong.
2) there are experts at places like Messick's who know this stuff inside and out. But I wouldn't assume an inexperienced tech at a random dealer would know this stuff, or know to question/re-engineer the wrong instructions or handle custom cases where you might throw a grapple into the mix. If they have to go off-script and improvise, they are probably in trouble.
3) I have very basic hydraulics experience and had no prior experience installing on a Kubota. In the end, I had to step back, draw on my experience/education as a mechanical engineer, and make some diagrams on paper to educate myself on how the hydraulics were setup and should work. It's rare with tractors that my college "book learning" education trumps my ever-growing "country-boy" experience, but this was one of those cases.
Bottom line, I am not surprised a dealer would screw this up.
1) the Kubota instructions had several major errors. It was apparent whoever wrote the instructions was working on a tractor with remotes *and* backhoe, and they completely botched the instructions for non-backhoe cases. They obviously didn't understand what they were doing on a fundamental level. It was only because I sanity check myself that I knew something was wrong.
2) there are experts at places like Messick's who know this stuff inside and out. But I wouldn't assume an inexperienced tech at a random dealer would know this stuff, or know to question/re-engineer the wrong instructions or handle custom cases where you might throw a grapple into the mix. If they have to go off-script and improvise, they are probably in trouble.
3) I have very basic hydraulics experience and had no prior experience installing on a Kubota. In the end, I had to step back, draw on my experience/education as a mechanical engineer, and make some diagrams on paper to educate myself on how the hydraulics were setup and should work. It's rare with tractors that my college "book learning" education trumps my ever-growing "country-boy" experience, but this was one of those cases.
Bottom line, I am not surprised a dealer would screw this up.
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Having over two decades of dealership experience myself, it’s a disappointing trend that the people that should grasp basic hydraulic theory as it applies to specific applications simply do not. The vast majority of those that do are not tasked with assembly and PDI work.
