Kubota VS WIX/NAPA oil filters

[David_Kb7uns]

I know I have gone round and round with people wanting the best filters for there equipment and years ago when I got the BX2230 I looked at some of the NAPA crossed filters and came across some of the filters on a site where they were rated and examined inside and did not like some of them as they were clearly undersized for the tractor work.

Also did not like NAPA/WIX recommending a 50 micron screen in place of a paper water blocking element for the Kubota inline diesel fuel filter. While Kubota has never listed the micron rating of the fuel filters I know they will stop the water.

Came across this today, Thank You Neil for restoring the idea that I have made the correct choice in staying with the Kubota OEM filters the images will pretty much explain why I do not use WIX for my Kubota.

Napa Filters VS Kubota Filters - Do you need OEM filters? - YouTube


David

 

[mmancuso13]

Makes sense to me

 

[Tx Jim]

WOW it's amazing how much smaller the filtering area on the Napa/Wix filter is compared to the Kubota filter.

 

[czechsonofagun]

Wix filters is all I use on my Kybota.

 

[Blondie70]

Wix: made in USA by fellow Americans. Kubota: made in Indonesia.

 

[David_Kb7uns]

Would rather have a proper fitting filter made anywhere then a poor fitting filter made in the US. WIX knows how to make a proper oil filter they just choose to take a shortcut and spec the wrong filter both for the oil and the fuel systems on the BX series tractors and people should consider their profit motive over what is the right filter for the application.

Do not go waving the American flag when it is corporate greed for profit by WIX in giving us poor filters.


David

 

[RichM752]

Interesting video. Thanks for posting.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

What I don't under stand is, IF Wix is such a bad filter, how come all the Kubota owners that are using them, aren't here complaining about their DEAD Kubota's???

SR

 

[ovrszd]

What I don't under stand is, IF Wix is such a bad filter, how come all the Kubota owners that are using them, aren't here complaining about their DEAD Kubota's???

SR

Good question.

As these discussions progress I'm always a bit surprised at the percentage of Wix filter users. I use them on everything I own with an oil filter, 10 engines total.

 

[LD1]

Talking about oil filters is like opening a can of worms.

Seems everyone either has a filter brand that they use exclusively.... or one that they avoid exclusively......based on someone at some time years ago having a problem.

Just because ONE filter of brand X is "better" than ONE filter of brand Y....doesnt mean the same thing is true across all filter models of brand X and brand Y.

And I said it in the other thread......but with all this emphasis on the importance of the size and area of the filter media.......why in the world are filters getting smaller and smaller....down to tea-cup sized filters we use now? What happened to the old full-quart sized filters that used to be on everything?

For me.....on my MX and on my last L3400.......I use a XG8A fram......same as a napa/wix 1515......and its a full quart sized filter.

Not gonna go spend $$ on an OEM just to cut open......but I'd wager a bet that I have 2x the surface area of the kubota filter. So for less money.....more convenient to buy....and 2x better filter......the question becomes why use the inferior OEM filter?

 

[ovrszd]

I am a bit OCD about filters and change them more frequently than recommended. I have very convenient access to Wix. Beyond those two reasons I have nothing more to offer to support my Wix use.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I buy some OEM, I also buy some NAPA Golds...

Just because the BX Wix/NAPA filter is smaller, doesn't mean WIX is smaller across the board... Perhaps there was some "selective" comparing going on there??

Also, just because the filter is shorter, it doesn't mean it's "too" short to get the job done.

The only brand filter I will NOT use is Fram, IMO they are the bottom of the bucket. I personally have seen a couple of them leak through the seam on the can.

At one time Cummins had a few blown motors (B's under warr.) from Fram filters failing (filter media plugging the oil passages) and sent out a notice to owners, use of a Fram voids the warr...

SR

 

[ovrszd]

I buy some OEM, I also buy some NAPA Golds...

Just because the BX Wix/NAPA filter is smaller, doesn't mean WIX is smaller across the board... Perhaps there was some "selective" comparing going on there??

Also, just because the filter is shorter, it doesn't mean it's "too" short to get the job done.

The only brand filter I will NOT use is Fram, IMO they are the bottom of the bucket. I personally have seen a couple of them leak through the seam on the can.

At one time Cummins had a few blown motors (B's under warr.) from Fram filters failing (filter media plugging the oil passages) and sent out a notice to owners, use of a Fram voids the warr...

SR

I've saw two Fram filters fail. Both times they sucked the media thru the oil pump. Both engines survived, but had to be completely disassembled.

I think we all have brand bias based on experiences. For me Fram is out.

 

[Snobdds]

I too will not use Fram. I remember an issues the 6.0 Powerstrokes were having with failing injectors. The injectors on those trucks are fired by high pressure oil and the injectors were being fed dirty oil and failing. Turns out the Fram oil cartridge filters and others were not the same size physically as the OEM Motorcraft filter. The filters were too long and keeping the bypass valve open 100% of the time. Dirty oil made the internal piston in the injectors scar and soon fail.

Well after tones of failures, it turns out the patent for the International oil cartridge was not yet expired. So the aftermarket had to make a taller filter cap with shorter filter, which resulted in a longer overall filter. The aftermarket was responsible for tons of failed injectors. The funny thing is, nothing has changed and the aftermarket is still selling the longer filters.

For this reason alone, I stay OEM for most filters. I haven't been bit yet...

 

[LD1]

I buy some OEM, I also buy some NAPA Golds...

Just because the BX Wix/NAPA filter is smaller, doesn't mean WIX is smaller across the board... Perhaps there was some "selective" comparing going on there??

SR

Basically what I was trying to say...."selective comparing"....I like it.

And yes.....I know there is alot of anti-fram bias. But fram makes many different "grades" of filters. As do other brands....like Napa silver, gold, and platinum.

Just because the low level fram filters are junk.....doesn't mean the entire brand as a whole is junk.

I run fram xg filters on everything but my Cummins. And that's only because I cannot find an xg for it. So it gets a Napa gold.

The frame xg filters are among the best there is. 10k oil changes and full synthetic on everything I own. Been that way for the last 15 years.

 

[ovrszd]

It's very difficult to get a comparative opinion from any brand of filter if the user has never had trouble.

For example, I can say the same thing about Wix that LD1 said about fram xg in his last sentence above.

So which is better, Fram xg or Wix?

 

[sandyc]

Being an old guy I use motorcraft in my fords, kub ota on my tractors,

 

[Deere Dude]

good video. 40 years ago My JD loving BIL TOLD me his dealer did a test like that in front of him and the JD filter was taller inside and many more pleats even back then. I had a leaky jd filter even though it was very tight. I just went down and got a GOLD for the same price..Got screwed twice on one filter.

 

[Peter 315]

I put a baldwin b7152 on my l3800 and every time you started it you could hear the bypass valve till it warmed up a bit big difference on filter weight and mounting plate HH164-32430 KUBOTA filter number

 

[lindnova]

The video was comparing an OEM Kubota to a Wix/Napa 1365 which is not the correct cross reference. I use Wix 51064 on my Kubota (or OEM whichever is more convenient at the time). The 1064 is comparable and maybe a little smaller than OEM, but not much difference.

That said the Kubota filters are stoutly built. I have used only Kubota for hydraulic and fuel filters and about half of the time for oil and air. Price is about the same, but my dealer is 15 miles away and I don't drive that way very often.