Price Check Kubota BX23s Price

[Newbietrac]

Hello! Newbie here. Read so much my eyes hurt. I am a member of an El camino forum and I must say, the people on this forum are as helpful and considerate as they are. Props to all of you for that! You can't say that about all forums.

So, I have narrowed it down to the major 3 (I think anyways). Kubota BX23s, GC1720, and JD2025r (All TLB's). Just received a quote from Kubota. 2017 Bx23s that includes 3 Point Arm Assembly, 3rd Function Valve and 54 Claw Grapple for $21,000.00. Tax not included. 0% for 60

I have purchased many cars in my days and am very comfortable "haggling". Is that the same with purchasing a tractor? Are their MSRP numbers and wholesale prices available? Does $21k seem like a fair price? I know the GC1720 should come in about $3k less. But still waiting on those responses (both from Massey and JD) MF is much further away than my JD and Kubota Dealerships. Both of which have been around forever. If the MF place goes, I would be driving 2 hrs for warranty work etc. I really like the Kubota and the GC1720.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and expertise.

Newbietrac

 

[Rock Crawler]

Personally, fir the SCUT class I looked at the major players and see the Massey GC1720 as the clear winner.

Larger CI engine, more torque.
Much stronger loader lift capacity.
Much stronger backhoe digging power.
Lower engine RPM at rated power, longer engine life.

I personally would not over stress on the 2 hour drive for warranty work, the likelihood of a defective unit from MF or Kubota are not high at all. If you said Mahindra..... I would reconsider that statement.

Your buying more machine with the Massey Ferguson, both companies make very good tractors. Asuming that you are doing your fluid/filter changes and any piss-ant maintenance that comes up, you may not see that dealer again for many years aside from ordering your fluid and filters.

Get the rear tires filled with Rim Guard or similar before you pick it up. There are light weight tractors with powerful loaders that you'll want that added weight to help allow you to use that power.

 

[Newbietrac]

Well let me try this again.

Thank you for your quick response Rock Crawler. I like the MF for the very reasons you mentioned. I do like the quick release on the Kubota for grapple attachment etc (I guess you can do the same on MF, just too ignorant to know right now.) And that JD and Kubota are just so close. Reassuring for someone who has never had a tractor. Maybe more importantly, I like the additional ground clearance on the BX. About 3"? Which could come in very handy for my uses.

Thanks for the Rim Guard tip.

Newbietrac

 

[mguitas]

Hello! Newbie here. Read so much my eyes hurt. I am a member of an El camino forum and I must say, the people on this forum are as helpful and considerate as they are. Props to all of you for that! You can't say that about all forums.

So, I have narrowed it down to the major 3 (I think anyways). Kubota BX23s, GC1720, and JD2025r (All TLB's). Just received a quote from Kubota. 2017 Bx23s that includes 3 Point Arm Assembly, 3rd Function Valve and 54 Claw Grapple for $21,000.00. Tax not included. 0% for 60

I have purchased many cars in my days and am very comfortable "haggling". Is that the same with purchasing a tractor? Are their MSRP numbers and wholesale prices available? Does $21k seem like a fair price? I know the GC1720 should come in about $3k less. But still waiting on those responses (both from Massey and JD) MF is much further away than my JD and Kubota Dealerships. Both of which have been around forever. If the MF place goes, I would be driving 2 hrs for warranty work etc. I really like the Kubota and the GC1720.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and expertise.

Newbietrac

All tractors you you talk about above, will do the job. They are all winners

 

[Newbietrac]

I'm pretty confident about how well most tractors are built. My questions was more about how much does a Tractor dealer "deal" like a car dealership? I don't want to break any unwritten rules or anything. Are their markups as high as a car dealers?

I just saw on a thread from 07/2017 about a Bx23s pricing for 18.9. I was priced 21k even for bx23s with 3rd function and 54" grapple. Seems a tad high since I'm not getting mmm like some of the others.

Thanks!

Newbietrac

 

[jdom84]

I think you will find pricing all over the map. Every dealer is going to be different on what they can sell the tractor for and keep the doors open. Some might sell them for low profit and make all the money in parts and service while others need to sell high. There is a MSRP for tractors but I think they call it something like "advertised price". If you want to find out what the advertised price for a tractor is, try using something like All of Craigslist. I have seen dealers list new tractors on CL.

I don't have a clue what a Kubota tractor this size with extras should cost but 21k doesn't seem that far off from what I've see others post for quotes...
What is the base price of the tractor (TLB)?
The third function valve kit $600-$1000?
the grapple attachment $1600-$2000?
labor cost for setting this all up?

A MMM cost $1800? Also, I've seen some manufactures run specials with free MMM if you buy other attachments.
I understand wanting to get the best deal possible but if you beat your dealer up to badly on the price... how will they treat you when it comes for service or warranty work?

 

[Newbietrac]

Thank you 84. That's exactly why I was asking. Not sure how much I could or should push. I requested quote without the grapple and third. Haven't heard. Ack yet. But if third is 600-1000 and I've seen that grapple at 1800 online. Sounds right at 19k.
I can get Gc1720 for right around 17k. I like being able to use the quick attachment grapple with the bucket on the bx. Do they offer a grapple with third on the 1720? I know it's a "pin" bucket...
Thanks for everything. U guys are great!
Newbietrac

 

[tjkubota93]

When I bought mine I called all the Kubota dealers within 1 or 2 hrs told them what i wanted and asked the price. I bought from the one that was the cheapest and the nicest.

 

[Newbietrac]

That's a good idea. With out third option and grapple, just Bx23s $18,150. It including tax.
Should I worry about the decreased lift with ssqa over the JD2025r? Has anyone done the shim kit for Bx23s?
Thanks!

 

[Newbietrac]

Sorry, "not" including tax.

 

[Tractor Dell]

Have you gone to the Kubota site and do the "Build my Kubota" option? that will give you the MSRP of the exact tractor you want. Then you can probably get 10% or so off of that. What I don't know about is the price of the grapple. I got mine from Everything Attachments.

Oh, and I have used the shim kit and upped my hydraulic pressure to 1950. Took all of 5 minutes to do. It really does help on the lift power, and I have seen no ill effects from doing it. I also have the SSQA, and when it come to switching from the grapple to the bucket and back, it sure does make life a lot better!

 

[Newbietrac]

Thanks Tractor Dell! Ive been to the site to build and so it does seem they are giving almost the 10% discount off of msrp.
One more question. Would I have Kubota put the third valve on and then get the grapple from EA? I would like to do that since the kubota/Landprides grapples seem so heavy.
Thanks!
Newbietrac

 

[Tractor Dell]

Thanks Tractor Dell! Ive been to the site to build and so it does seem they are giving almost the 10% discount off of msrp.
One more question. Would I have Kubota put the third valve on and then get the grapple from EA? I would like to do that since the kubota/Landprides grapples seem so heavy.
Thanks!
Newbietrac

Definitely get the 3rd function when you order it. I didn't and took it back later for them to do it. I bought the kit and after looking at it, just figured it was something I didn't want to get into. It really is more of a diverter valve than a true 3rd function, but I really don't notice any issues with using it. Doesn't take long to know when to push the button and when not too.

The EA grapple for the SSQA is the 55" one and weighs a bit over 200 lbs. I am assuming the LP one is about the same weight. However, when I did a lot of research on the EA and Land Pride ones, the EA one just seemed to be built much heavier. I can attest that I have been using it very hard the last few weeks and I haven't seen any issues with the structure of the welds. All I have done is knock some of the paint off and got it muddy as heck.

Also, I wanted flat face connectors, so when I ordered my grapple from EA, I asked them to just cap the lines. They took $20 dollars off the cost. Then I got 2 sets of 3/8 inch flat face connectors from Amazon and attached them to both the 3rd function valve and the grapple. I put a male and female on each end, so there would be no way I can attach them backwards. I am sure you can get the dealer to add the connectors to the 3rd function valve when you get the tractor, if you don't want to do it yourself.

Here is a picture of me using it this afternoon in my woods that I am clearing.

 

[Newbietrac]

Sweet! That's exactly what I will do. Are those weights on your back wheels? That stump is huge.
Thanks for all the advice. I love great forums like these!
Newbietrac

 

[Tractor Dell]

Sweet! That's exactly what I will do. Are those weights on your back wheels? That stump is huge.
Thanks for all the advice. I love great forums like these!
Newbietrac

You are welcome. I am far from an expert. It is just that I just did all this research earlier this year, as I just got my BX23S in the Spring. Hopefully I can help a little. There are more knowledgeable folks on here, so keep reading.

Yes, those are steel wheel weights. I preferred them as if I loaded the tires with something, and it got a hole, it could all leak out and I have to do it all over again. These are just held on with 2 bolts and are easy to remove. Also, if I need to repair/replace a tire, I don't have to deal with all the mess inside the tires.

Yea, that stump was all that the BX could handle. There were a few it could not pick up, but I just grabbed onto it with the grapple and pulled or pushed it where I wanted it to go. Not quite as fast as being able to pick it up and carry it to the burn pile, but it got there... and I didn't break a sweat.

 

[Newbietrac]

Sweet! That's exactly what I will do. Are those weights on your back wheels? That stump is huge.
Thanks for all the advice. I love great forums like these!
Newbietrac

 

[dalola]

Your price seems reasonable, there may be a little money still on the table, maybe $1500 or so, depending how much effort you want to put into it. Also consider if units are selling well in your area, dealers will be less prone to big discounts, knowing they can sell the unit to someone else at their asking price, vs. to you at a lower profit. As others mentioned, call every KB dealer within 4 hours, just to price check. That may be the best you'll get locally, or you may run into an aggressive dealer wanting to sell.

For the tractors themselves, if you're interested in maxing out the FEL spec's, you might consider a CUT. One needs to be cautious with these smaller SCUT's, as pushing the capacity can get you into serious trouble if you aren't careful. I would personally not determine your choice based on capacity, as I think all will be very similar in real world conditions, when used in a safe manor. Rather, I would use price (value, not just cheapest), operator comfort & convenience, refinement of the machine, and dealer support, as determining factors. A thorough test drive of each rig is the best place to start. If you will removing the FEL & backhoe occasionally, practice each rig at the dealer. That alone should provide some clarity to your decision.

Best of luck, have fun shopping!

 

[Newbietrac]

Great points. I agree. Other than the occasional stump like the one Tractor Dell had a pic of, I prob won't be going over the limits of the scut. I looked at the mf gc1720. Wasn't even close to Kubota in layout or comfort. I also thought the engine ran smoother on the bx, though a little higher (rpm). It's now between JD2025r and Bx23s. Though JD doesn't have one available for a month. At least close.
Thanks for the expertise. I will call around.
Newbietrac

 

[Newbietrac]

New post. My last post I meant it was between the 1025r and Bx23s.

I am frozen between the BX23s and the Jd1025r. The JD is a 2018 model. And they are offering it $500 less ($18,200) than the kubota (18,700). Pro's of the JD:
Better Loader capacity (though about the same with kubota pin-on)
A couple of inches wider
Frame seems more substantial
Liquid cooled transmission (not fan)
Insurance about $17 a month cheaper (Life of the loan, it's about $1200 less than Kubota)
BH dedicated it's own seat. I have heard good and bad about this. Anyone have an opinion?
More HP

JD Cons
No Grapple! Quoted $1800 for third option installed. With Grapple about $5k!
Didn't' seem as refined to me. 4x4 "rod" seemed kind of weak. Gas gauge.
Herky jerky BH and loader

Kubota Pros
Smoother engine.
Loader and BH smoother.
Layout of instruments seems better to me. ( I don't care about treadle pedal or side by side. Makes no difference to me)
The BH is at an angle, making it easier on and off trailers and over stuff
BH removable operation much better. Really smart
I can get 84 months 0% (only 60 with JD) Though this isn't make or break.
Looks cooler to me. (I have a zero turn JD so I have nothing against JD, The Kawasaki engine in the JD has been great

Can any of you speak to any of this? New BH seat? Does it keep you from reaching forward and moving the machine while still on the BH? SSQA on Kubota keep you from doing what you want? Is the BH on the JD any stronger than the Kubota? I know both will be great tractors. And that's the problem. Dealers both good. Been around for ever and right across the street from each other.

JD online - build your own - 24k+. Kubota around 21k. Is the Deere a better value? Goes against everything I've been reading. Oh, and The B series is just too expensive for me to swing (finance committee).

Thanks everybody! This will be my first Tractor! Help!

 

[tjkubota93]

I chose kubota because they make their stuff. I thought john deer was a rebadged yanmar. That just means they are a middleman. I know the kubota has a kubota engine.