Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton

/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #1  

stuart

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Yesterday I was advised it is better to get a Kohler engine in a lawn tractor than a Briggs and Stratton engine. Specifically I was looking at John Deere L 120 which has a 20 hp Briggs engine. Salesman said buy a Kohler engine in the L110 (17.5 hp) or the L130 (23hp) . Would appreciate any input on the different engine makes and whether or not you feel they are really any difference. Horsepower is really not my concern.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #2  
There used to be more difference in the Kohlers and Briggs. Now a days I am not sure that there is that much difference. The recent model Kohlers have been known to have very oil sensitive lifters in them. Use very good oil, keep them full and change often in all small engines for longest life.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #3  
B&S didn't get to be #1 by accident.
Their engines have been around many years. Parts are available everywhere...from dealers to Walmart to convenience stores.
Can Kohler say that for their products?
Both are good engines.
B&S is less expensive. All the way around.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #4  
I had a Murray lawn tractor with a B/S for over 10 yrs which I pretty much wore out. Not the engine, everything else. Never had a problem with the engine. I now have a Craftsman with a 19 hp B/S. I have had it for about 8 years and never had a problem with it. I could have bought a Craftsman with a Kohler for quite a bit more. I don't see any advantage to the extra dollars for the Kohler.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #5  
I have heard of more trouble out of the Kawsaki engines than either the Kohler or Briggs engines. Just an added thought.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #6  
I had a 1980 model opposed twin 17hp Kohler that lasted 20 years of mowing 2 acres. It was a great engine until it threw a rod. I replaced it with a Craftsman 20hp vertical shaft V-twin Kohler with hydraulic lifters. On the second mowing with the new Kohler I started noticing the engine was making a clattering noise. I determined it was the lifters. I ask the Sears service department if they had heard of this, they said no. Never got a chance to resolve this issue.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #7  
The valve lifter/clatter problem is a known issue with the Kohlers. You have to use the right oil. Synthetics seem to work the best. I can't remember off the top of my head what weight it was though.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #8  
It depends not only on the brand but on the model. Most of us are familiar with the L-head B&S engines that have lasted so long in the past. Those engines are still substantial, but I have noticed nylon parts being used for the oil slinger and starter ring on the flywheel. I believe B&S is beginning to cut corners. Internal engine parts for B&S have traditionally been made of very good metal, but I've been seeing more component failure over the last few years, even from the L-head engines.

The B&S Twin (opposing cylinders) runs very well for a few hundred hours. Then the valve seats loosen and the engine will quit running after it heats up. For me, the V engines from B&S are not worth buying. Even though they have some pressure lubrication and filter, there are two many other problems from electrical to fuel pump.

The Kohler Magnum engine (all cast block) were arguably the best small equipment engine ever made. The Kohler command series, however, is not nearly the engine of the Magnum series. It is cast aluminum with cast iron bore and has oil pressure and filter lube, but won't last near the time a Magnum series would.

Parts are more expensive for the Kohler, too.

With all that said, and realize I have worked on a lot of lawn tractor engines, if you can only choose between B&S and Kohler, I'd go with the Kohler is the price is comparable. That's considering the recent products both have made.

Hope that helps!
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #9  
"B&S didn't get to be #1 by accident"

Being number 1 and being good are two different things. B&S made cheap engines for many things. Many folks buy cheap stuff, over and over. Briggs and Strattons biggest issues in my opinion was designing and building their own carburetors and arguably as bad as many of the Tecumseh carburetors. The recoil starters were arguably the worst design ever. Kohler had B&S and Tecumseh beat hands down. Then came along Honda and for a couple extra hundred dollars per engine, were still cutting into the market. Folks realized the quality of Hondas. B&S, Kohler, Tecumseh took notice. B&S has come a long way since it's "cheap" engines of the 60's, 70's 80's and 90's. When I wanted quality, B&S was at the bottom of my list, if I wanted cheap, B&S was at the top. Today, their is less of a difference. Being number one never meant having the better product, B&S proved that. Rat...
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #10  
I agree with you and 5 string,I have gotten lots of service out of the Briggs engines,just keep clean oil in them and make sure the oil level is good and keep good/clean gas in them and they will last for years.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #11  
I agree the Kohler Magnum series are far better than BS.

BS is the cheapest but not the best.

Can not comment on the new Kohlers but I have a walk behind tractor with a mangun 8 that is pushing 20 years and still runs great. I am a second owner and this thing was run hard and put up wet on a regular basis but still runs.
Parts for the older kohler's are a little harder to get, you can't get them at a box store.
But then again I have found that the box stores only stock the parts for the latest stuff they are selling. The 5 year old models and plus are harder to find.
A local lawn and garden shop can get me anything I need for the Kohler as can a number of web based companies.

Fred
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #12  
I had a Briggs engine on a Sears lawn mower quit starting well into about its 3rd season. The self-propelled gear box on that mower also locked up. The engine acted as though the valves had recessed like we've heard about in older engines with unleaded gas.

Other Briggs engines have been miles ahead of any of the other lesser makes like Tecumseh or Lausen. The 12 hp Kohler on my Gravely has been good over its last 300 hours after my buying it with 104 hours.

The jury is still out on the Suzuki on my Arctic Cat generator. It should be easier to start than it is.

Ralph
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #13  
B&S builds, or used to, engines of different qualities.

I have a 25 year old B&S powered lawn mower still going. It gets an oil change about three times a year and I run 50:1 oil/gas mixture in due to the change in gasoline. Gasoline sits in it all winter. Runs well and doesn't use any oil.

Egon
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #14  
We have the old original Kohler motor in our 1975 JD 214 garden tractor. Still runs great and starts within two seconds of cranking even after it has sat for months. I think the quality of these old motors is better than what Briggs and Kohler produce now as cheaper models. The Briggs in our MTD push mower only made it 2 years.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #15  
I have no idea of how good either of these engines are presently, but I've nursed my Mom's 12 year old Murray rider along having only to repair the tractor, not the engine. Uses no oil, no smoke, starts quickly every time. The only thing I modified was the addition of a fuel shut off so that I can run all the gas out each time so if it sits it won't shellac the carb. By the same token, my late grandmother's old Snapper walk behind with a Kohler is still running with nothing having ever been done to the engine. It is a 60s model. Personally, I wouldn't do the walk up. I don't think the difference is worth it. John
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #16  
Briggs has always had good products I can not stress that you get what you pay for. I have been a briggs mst since 1998. as far as valve seats comming loose this is almost always caused by overheating, usually a mouse nest under the cooling shrouds. As far as electrical problems. in most cases it's a problem in the equiptment electrical system not the engine. The systems they use for ignition, fuel delivery, and battery charging are basically the same for all manufactures. But all types have different features. plastic parts are not always used for cost savings. they are used because they create less noise. Either way briggs is as good or better than most. Their vanguard line of engines will give a commercial user a full two year warranty that most engine manufactures do not . Personally if their were two tractors on the show room floor one with a briggs and one with a kohler I would go with the briggs. Their quieter, can offer replacement parts easier . In todays newer market they offer a broader selection of engines.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #17  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> The Briggs in our MTD push mower only made it 2 years. </font> )</font>

Thats not very common to have one fail that quick.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #18  
If it failed in less than two years on a push mower then I wonder how steep of an incline it was used on.... It wont get the proper lubrication all make pushmowers have this problem pressure lube or not .
 
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"The Briggs in our MTD push mower only made it 2 years"
What failed in the engine? You can't count a gummed up carb as a failed engine /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.
 
/ Kohler vs Briggs & Stratton #20  
B&S lost me on their push mower engines with the 2 pickup tube "constant level" carburetors with the automatic choke. These work great till they quit then from my experience they won't work right even when rebuilt with the rubber pump/choke diaphram.
I liked the old single tube, manual choke version a lot better.
So I decided to go with Tecumseh. Their push button primer doesn't work very well. That 3-4 pumps stated in the manual is usually more like 20+ for mine, and then it always dies once before finally running. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 

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