DK35vince
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That is the transmission vent/fill plug.
Traction Kioti 2009 CK35 Transmission Problem
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I see you're a night owl too.
Yes, I opened a small drain plug on the bottom of the transmission (I'm assuming since it was just behind the front axle) and it is slightly milky. Maybe this is not hydraulic fluid - sorry if it's not. The hydraulic fluid is also even "milkier" when I disconnect one the FEL hoses and operate the FEL. And yes, the dipstick I checked is the one at the rear of the tractor. I was just trying to give all the info I could about what I'm finding on my tractor to see if it helped give anyone an idea about the cause of the loss of transmission power. I thought maybe the milky hydraulic fluid is related to my transmission problem. Maybe it's a pump or a clogged filter or screen. I just don't understand why the hydraulic fluid is milky at the front of the tractor but clear at the rear of the tractor. It's like it is not getting circulated but maybe this is normal.That is where the dealer told me to add the Quattro hydraulic oil since the dipstick was showing that it was low. Was that not correct? Isn't hydraulic oil and hydraulic fluid the same thing? The dealer told me that the transmission, the FEL, and the PTO all used the same hydraulic fluid. Is this not correct either? Sorry for the stupid questions but I've never owned a tractor before and maybe I shouldn't own one now lol or maybe I should at least learn how one works! Thanks again!
k0ua
Epic Contributor
Ok. I checked the drawings online posted by michigan iron equipment, and you are right, I dont see the water drain "button" either in the drawing. I thought they all had them, and I am basing what I have seen on Kubota machines. But I don't see one on the Kioti drawing.
James K0UA
James K0UA
k0ua
Epic Contributor
That is the correct place to add the hydraulic oil and that dipstick back there is the correct dipstick to check the fluid level.
k0ua
Epic Contributor
I see you're a night owl too.
Well just behind the front axle the drain plugs are the engine oil NOT the hydraulic fluid/oil. those drain plugs are further to the rear of the clutch housing there should be three, The main drain plug and the 2 little ones further back and lower that drain the final drives gear cases.
James K0UA
Oh ok. Great I guess. At least I wasn't missing it then. Thanks a lot!
Oh, ok. My mistake. No wonder then the difference between the look of the FEL fluid and the fluid from under the tractor. But isn't it strange that the fluid is milky at the FEL loader but clear at the rear of the tractor?
Ok, great. Thanks.
UPDATE: I had to move the tractor in anticipation of hauling it to the dealer tomorrow and here is what happened:
When I took off on the tractor, it started moving very slowly as usual but then after a few feet, it's speed started picking up and within 30 feet or so I was moving along very fast so I look down and I'm in high gear so I was hoping that it was working normally again. So I stopped the tractor and checked what gear number I was in and it was in number 2. So I let the clutch out again but it repeated the process. So I got it moved to where it needs to be now and won't move it again but I was hoping maybe there was hope for it after all.
So what does that description mean? I'm going to guess it means that the clutch is slipping or could it be the pressure plate slipping? If so, are either of those easily correctable?
What else could it mean? What does it actually mean when someone says the clutch is burned up? Does it mean the clutch plate is worn out and it is too thin to make proper contact with whatever it makes contact with? Does it now sound like a throwout bearing problem?
ONE MORE UPDATE: I also noticed today that the transmission works ALMOST NORMALLY (even in high gear) for about 2 or 3 minutes, then it begins to slow to a crawl again. I noticed the same thing for the FEL today. It rockets up and down for the first few minutes, then slows down (but not significantly like the transmission). I also have not actually loaded the bucket with anything recently but now I'm wondering if that would bog the FEL down significantly (I almost bet it would). And I no longer have my bushhog on the back or I would have tested the speed of it out as well today. DOES THIS SUGGEST ANYTHING ELSE? Thanks again EVERYONE!
When I took off on the tractor, it started moving very slowly as usual but then after a few feet, it's speed started picking up and within 30 feet or so I was moving along very fast so I look down and I'm in high gear so I was hoping that it was working normally again. So I stopped the tractor and checked what gear number I was in and it was in number 2. So I let the clutch out again but it repeated the process. So I got it moved to where it needs to be now and won't move it again but I was hoping maybe there was hope for it after all.
So what does that description mean? I'm going to guess it means that the clutch is slipping or could it be the pressure plate slipping? If so, are either of those easily correctable?
What else could it mean? What does it actually mean when someone says the clutch is burned up? Does it mean the clutch plate is worn out and it is too thin to make proper contact with whatever it makes contact with? Does it now sound like a throwout bearing problem?
ONE MORE UPDATE: I also noticed today that the transmission works ALMOST NORMALLY (even in high gear) for about 2 or 3 minutes, then it begins to slow to a crawl again. I noticed the same thing for the FEL today. It rockets up and down for the first few minutes, then slows down (but not significantly like the transmission). I also have not actually loaded the bucket with anything recently but now I'm wondering if that would bog the FEL down significantly (I almost bet it would). And I no longer have my bushhog on the back or I would have tested the speed of it out as well today. DOES THIS SUGGEST ANYTHING ELSE? Thanks again EVERYONE!
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If you can get it in and out of gear with the engine off the clutch is not releasing. It either may need adjusted or replaced. Have you smelled something similar to burning brakes? If the tractor is moving real slow the clutch may be slipping real bad. You may want to check the owners manual on the adjustment procedure.
I may have misunderstood you. I can move it into any gear with the engine on or off but I have to press the clutch pedal in to do it. Is that what you meant or did you mean without pressing in the clutch pedal?
And no, I have never smelled or heard or felt anything odd so far. That's what is weird to me. Thanks!
I meant could you get it into gear with the engine off and clutch down. I thought in your 1st post you said you could not get it into gear.
UPDATE: Sorry. I meant with the engine ON, I have to press the pedal in or the gears will grind. With the engine OFF, I do NOT have to use the pedal to change gears.
So whats wrong with it then?
I wish I knew. It suddenly stopped moving the other day out in the field so I finally managed to nurse it back to my house. Today though, it seemed to move almost normally for about 2 minutes (even in high gear #4) before it started moving very, very slowly again. Also, it seemed to be moving fine in low gear #1 today even after 2 minutes, but in any other gear, there was no speed or power after 2 minutes to go up even a slight incline.
Are the rpm's staying the same on the tractor?
SSdoxie
Elite Member
Here is a picture of the clutch check/drain plug for the CK. Picture in right hand column. Remove that plug, if water comes out let it dry overnight and try driving. If oil comes out, needs to go to dealer because it has a seal leak.
Yellowish, milky looking oil could be air or water. If it was just serviced recently make sure the hydraulic filter underneath the right side of operator platform is tight, this is suction strainer and loose,leaky gasket could allow air in without having an oil//fluid leak.
Yellowish, milky looking oil could be air or water. If it was just serviced recently make sure the hydraulic filter underneath the right side of operator platform is tight, this is suction strainer and loose,leaky gasket could allow air in without having an oil//fluid leak.
k0ua
Epic Contributor
Aha. finally actually someone with a picture!!!.. I knew it would have a clutch housing drain, but I assumed it would be like the Kubota's and have the little button you push with your finger, I think they call it a "split pin" . I would love to know what will come out of that housing when that bolt is removed.!
James K0UA
Yes. Absolutely no fluctuations in the rpm's at any time. That's why it seems to me like it wouldn't be the clutch slipping.
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