John Deere 110 Compact TLB

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/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #41  
Chris, I was curious why you need a back hoe when you already have an excavator? There must be some very obvious reasons. The excavators I spoke with will always choose an excavator over a hoe for speed and the variety of dig situations they can do that hoes just can't or don't do as well. Todays mini excavators are really fantastic.
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #42  
Rat,
I am absolutely 100% addicted to my excavator,there is not a more efficient digging machine available as far as I'm concerned,and I'm not a big backhoe guy because the excavator is soooo efficient.The reason for the hoe is this...I do work for a few electrical and water pump contractors and also other landscapers,the hoe is especially handy to go dig a water line or electrical trench or for planting,and this machine also allows me to bring the Harley rake along to clean up after backfilling.I would have to say though,that I probably use the rake on the machine more than the hoe since getting the excavator at least that was the way with my L35.Also in the future if I hire someone I will have a machine to send out to dig if the excavator is busy.As far as a mini I think they are fantastic but, that would mean I would have to have 2 machines,1 for raking/loader work and 1 for digging,and if I show up with one more machine my wife may be looking for a new husband!
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #43  
Rat,
I am absolutely 100% addicted to my excavator,there is not a more efficient digging machine available as far as I'm concerned,and I'm not a big backhoe guy because the excavator is soooo efficient.The reason for the hoe is this...I do work for a few electrical and water pump contractors and also other landscapers,the hoe is especially handy to go dig a water line or electrical trench or for planting,and this machine also allows me to bring the Harley rake along to clean up after backfilling.I would have to say though,that I probably use the rake on the machine more than the hoe since getting the excavator at least that was the way with my L35.Also in the future if I hire someone I will have a machine to send out to dig if the excavator is busy.As far as a mini I think they are fantastic but, that would mean I would have to have 2 machines,1 for raking/loader work and 1 for digging,instead of one that can do both,and if I show up with one more machine my wife may be looking for a new husband!
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #44  
Chris, the mini excavators are incredible units and the main reason I chose not to get a hoe for my tractor. Their ability to dig especially in precarious situations like steep hills etc. is superb and unmatched. I do like the loader they chose to put on the JD 110. I've used a JD 210 which has a similar loader. I'm a bit suprised to see JD still using the old style loader on their new 4710 and down series, they just don't look like they are beefy enough. Side by side next to the Kubotas, they are small tubed with small bracing, Rat...
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #45  
Rat,Inever looked at the compact Deeres before the 110 because they didn't "look" heavy duty enough when compared to an L35 or L48,not to say they aren't,but lets face it,they were designed for mid duty use,and thats the market they are intended for.If there was no such thing as a 110 I would all ready have an L48(no offense intended greenies)because it was the most industrial compact until now anyway,only time will really tell how the 110 does against its orange counter-part,I just hope it turns out to be a wise investment.
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #46  
Just got back from Las Vegas tonight,I was out there to goto the Con-Ex/Con-Ag equipment show,this show runs every three years and if you are an equipment freak like I am then you should plan on going in 2005.The main reason I am typing this is because JD was there with their Worksite Pro line up,the skid steers,mini excavators,and yep,the 110, fully equipped just the way I ordered mine,the cool thing about it though was that JD had the engineer who led the 110 project there to answer questions,so I talked to him for about 2+ hours and he went over the whole machine w/me,front to back.This machine is just incedible,the engineering that has gone into it is rediculous,it has all the full size TLB features and a few more to boot.It does have the ability to run hydraulic skid steer attachments off the front,like a broom or power rake,or hammer, and the hoe also has the power to run a hammer.He told me soooo much stuff its hard to remember it all,if any of ya have any questions,start askin'!
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #47  
Whats the breakdown on the three hyd. pumps and there function? Also when I had a tractor priced, the quick change buckets for the backhoe where a lot more than the pin on type. Seems once you pay for whatever goes on the hoe to make it quick change extra buckets should not all be so high priced? Quote I received for two quick change buckets was 1,150 for 12" & 1,225 for 24".
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #48  
Mike,
If I recall correctly I was told that one pump runs the tranny, one runs the power steering,and the last runs the hoe,loader,and aux. hydraulic functions.I'm 90% sure this is what the engineer from JD told me.About the buckets.......I don't have the pricing in front of me but those sound about right give or take $100,but I do agree they are a bit pricey for that size bucket,I also know for a fact that a company called Weldco-Beales Mfg. (www.weldco-beales.com)makes the coupler and buckets for Deere(they are the same ones they use on their mini excavators)and they will sell direct to you,I'm not sure if the pricing will be better or not but it is another option,from my experience though you can't beat being able to switch from one bucket to the other w/out a greasey mess,and it also allows you to work more efficently by matching the bucket to the job.

One more thing that is worth mentioning.........the machine at the show had a pretty substantial skid plate installed from just behind the loader towers to the back,I asked about it and was told it was a severe service skid plate and the engineer said he felt it was an invaluable option to request being that it protects ALL of the hydraulics and valving for the machine.I inquired about at the dealer and they got back to me today and told me list price was $418 but they could sell it to me for $318 and possibly install it for no charge,like I said it is a serious skid plate and is well worth the extra duckets,hope this helps.
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #49  
Tags,

Boy, spending 2 hours with the lead engineer of the 110 must make it all that much harder waiting on your machine. Awful good opportunity to learn the kinds of stuff you don’t find in the brochures. The skid plate sounds like a no brainer for the price. With the FOPS and the skid plate you have the making of a pretty nice machine for light logging. I can’t wait for yours to come in and hear what you have to say.

MarkV
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #50  
Was moving some brush piles with Brutus one day, upon backing up and preparing to go forward, I notieced my hoe lying on the ground, lifeless. I pulled lever to lift it and OH MY..the spray of fluid was impressive...seems I'd driven over a 4 inch or so log, maybe 3 feet or so long..tire pushed down on one side, other came and ran right through all my plumbing.

Fortunately for me, only one hose was damaged. The vulnerability that I then realized I had really made me more aware the next time I was working the same area...

I LOVE the idea of this kind of skid plate.
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #51  
Mark,
I want the machine soooooo bad I can taste it!!!!! I learned TONS of stuff about it,how they designed it,how secretive they were when they were building it,how they tested it.......oooohhh............just gives me the chills thinkin' about it.The whole trip to Vegas was worth it because of the time I was able to spend w/the guy,when would you have that chance again?The skid plate makes total sense,and I have to say that after looking and talking to the engineer there is definetly no other compact TLB on the market that is like this machine....I can't wait to get it!
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #52  
I've recently ordered a 110 with all the options,55 amp alternator, 3 spool scv w/diverter, 4 in 1 bucket, 7 spool backhoe grp., 20'' quick coupler bucket, rear worklights, 3 pt. hitch, drawbar, freight and setup. The dealer can't as yet order the hydralic thumb as it is not being offered, though the broucher shows one on a machine. I contacted weldco-beales and they can sell me one direct for $1300. after they get the ok from Deere. This sounds like a lot of money. My question is because the dealer has taken my equipment in on trade should I be expected to pay retail across the board. I feel that I was given a fair price for my trades. About 3-5 thou shy of perfect. I think they've got the stuff sold already. So I don't see that the dealer is getting stuck with any liabilities. I'm really not sure on how all this business works. I started second guessing myself when I saw the same tractor being priced at $40,500 according to what is being posted here. I need a lesson. Can anyone explain and offer a possible strategy to move on with since the total is close to 50. The way I see it I'm paying the same prices that are listed on the JD configurator. Can anyone help?
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #53  
Bushy,
A few questions first....did you negotiate a price before you traded your stuff in,what did you trade in(make,model,hours,and condition)and how much were you given for your trade.Without knowing anything about the situation it sounds like you are getting hosed,did you get any other prices from other dealers,if you did play the pricing against your dealers price.I priced my 110 out at 4 different dealers and was shocked at the differences in pricing for the exact same machine.If they have allready sold your stuff I'm not sure if you have any leverage w/ the dealer,but I would call and try negotiate a lower price,if that doesn't work threaten to cancel your order and ask for your money from the sale of your other equipment, it really sounds like you are between a rock and a hard place.About the thumb,$1300 sounds like a good price to me,I asked weldco-beales about it a month ago and they didn't have it listed for the 110 yet,but they knew they would.I posted the pricing on my 110 under "final price for 110tlb".Hope this helps,let us know what happens and good luck!
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #54  
Bushy,

I'm excited for you...as most of the guys reading this.

I used to be a dealer (3 dealerships) and sell equipment...9 years. Family owned business.

The dealer would like to deal in LIST $$ (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price -or- MRSP). Depending on the equipment the base unit will typically have a LIST price that allows them to have a markup of 18 to 22%, plus A & H (Assembly and Handling) and any freight/taxes. The accessories, or add-ons, will typically have a 5% higher margin than the base unit. This, what seems to be a lot of profit, is not what the dealer will end up making on the deal. There is something called and "over allowance" for trade-ins. If you were to buy it outright...without a trade...(when you begin to ask prices the salesman will first ask what you have to trade in before he begins dealing)...you can usually get them to give you a pretty good discount. The "over allowance" gives the dealer the ability to make it "look" like you are getting a good trade price for your unit. The reality is, when they "book" the trade-in they will adjust the allowance to you by the "over-allowance". You don't know this is being done.

Here's how it works (example):

New JD 110 TLB (Total W/frt, etc) LIST $50,000
Less:
Trade-in Allowance < 20,000 > = Net Cash ("Boot") Difference $30,000 paid to dealer

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Dealer COST $40,000 less 30,000 paid
"Hard Cash" invested in Trade-In by dealer of $10,000

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Dealer "Booking" of Trade-In:
Dealer Trade-In Allowance to Customer $20,000 Less "Over-Allowance" (not known by customer) < 6,000 > = Net "Booking" of the trade-in by dealer of $14,000

But the dealer's "Hard Cash" in trade-in is... $10,000 leaving a Gross Profit to Dealer on sale of JD110 of $4,000
(Notice that this is only a %10 Gross Profit)

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Now the Dealer has to sell the trade-in. He can easily put it on his lot and ask $18,000 to 20,000 for it without offending you and have a $4,000 to 6,000 markup to "deal" with the next customer who may want to buy it. Typically, used equipment sales has the POTENTIAL to be more profitable than the new sale. You see, from JD dealer to JD dealer, the cost of the new equipment is nearly the same.....but used equipment can be costed at virtually anything! ! This depends on how well the deal goes on the new!

The dealer may get a "volume" discount or rebate from the factory on the new equipment which augments...or is the dealer's profit.

Remember, the dealer has a lot of costs/expenses to cover running a dealership. Rent, interest, payroll, taxes, utilities, advertising, repairs, insurance, on...and...on. What seems like a big margin on sales (service 65%, parts 45%, new equipment 10%, and used equipment 15%) the typical "Net Profit" is only around 1 - 3% of sales, if they are lucky or good at what they do. They have to work on volume and provide good customer service.

Price is important to you, of course, but your relationship with the dealership should "weigh-in" around 70% of your decision. When the time comes...and it ALWAYS does...you will need a strong and responsive dealer to go back to when you need parts and service or to get you next piece of equipment.

Good Luck, and enjoy your new JD110 .... I, too, would like to get one .... so keep us up-to-date on the status.

- Dave
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #55  
Dear Fellows, Thanks for the feed back on " How this Business Works ". One of the saving graces of this whole experience is that I trust Deere's long history of producing well engineered products. The 110, I'm sure will do all that I need it to do, allow versitility and pan out to be a good investment when I look at the big picture. Thanks for the detailed explaination and the posing of questions that made me think rather than allow my emotions to dictate. One thing I am striving for is to feel as if I received a good deal. Kind of a face saving device. As well, I want to promote Commerce and good standing in the community. I don't want to be played nor to have played anyone! I will keep you all posted as things develop here. I'm giving the dealer a little rest from my relentless inquires. If you don't hear from me I just might be out wearing out some dirt. Thanks again Bush.
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #56  
This is a little late, but I'm replying to MChalkey's thoughts on the 25HP EF-1. Don't go by the specs. Two years ago I rented a gas EF-1 for a day to backfill dirt into some shallow trenches and holes we had dug for a project. The loader would not lift a heaping full bucket of dirt. It would stall the motor trying. I am not saying it was not an impressive buggy for the money, it was. But it was underpowered for its loader.
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #57  
Any word on went the 110 is going to be shipped from the factory? The dealer originally told me it would be shipped on the 19th of Apr. the new date given was the 7th of May. How there is some type of unexplained hold. What's up? Anyone know anything? Bushy
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #58  
I was told that mine would be shipped on the 25th of April...my dealer called last week to say that the date had been pushed back and that I would have my 110 the week of the 13th of May,needless to say I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #59  
I just got off the line with the John Deere dealer. He said that the 110s are on hold due to a problem with the brakes. The salesman didn't know the specific nature of the problem. Has anyone heard what's up?
 
/ John Deere 110 Compact TLB #60  
Bushy,
I really hope that is not true,when I was in Vegas at the con ex show I spoke to the head engineer of the 110 and he gave me his card,I'm gonna give him a call tomorrow and find out what the deal is.It sounds like that may not be true though because Joereal saw a new 110 at a dealer in Maine,I also called the dealer just to see how it was setup and priced,so hopefully my call to the engineer will answer some questions.
 
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