JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue

   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue
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#21  
Okay--one issue I discovered with the clutch finger adjustment tool measurements in that diagram a few posts back on this thread is that the length of the horizontal sides is marked as 6.375" (192 mm). Well, looks like 6.375" is 162 mm, and I have a feeling that is what was intended although I am not sure. 6.375" should be 6 3/8" and that is still looking a bit wrong, but I am going to go and recheck all my measurments and put my homebrewed version of the tool on the clutch fingers and flywheel again. If anyone happens to have one of these JDG-52 alignment squares on the bench I would love to get a freash set of measurements on it to double check....
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue
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#22  
On another note--which may be another thread, but I will begin here--as I await my bushing for the throwout bearing carrier, I decided to pop the covers on the brakes for a look as they have been pretty iffy lately and I have not messed with them since I got the tractor years ago. And all the tools are pulled out for the clutch job. The first one I opened up was crudded up as expected, and I got it celaned up and moving nicely, and turned the brake shoes around to wear the thcker side even though I need to replace them before long. Then when I went to the other (left) side and popped the brake housing, a brownish fluid ran out of it. Ack! Rusty water, I wondered? On closer inspection, about a cup of hytrans was in there making the dust a goop. I got that all cleaned up and put things back together, and that side needs new shoes too first chance I get. So, anybody changed the seal there on the shaft that the brake drum attaches to on a JD850 before? I am wondering what kind of trouble that might be?
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue #23  
On another note--which may be another thread, but I will begin here--as I await my bushing for the throwout bearing carrier, I decided to pop the covers on the brakes for a look as they have been pretty iffy lately and I have not messed with them since I got the tractor years ago. And all the tools are pulled out for the clutch job. The first one I opened up was crudded up as expected, and I got it celaned up and moving nicely, and turned the brake shoes around to wear the thcker side even though I need to replace them before long. Then when I went to the other (left) side and popped the brake housing, a brownish fluid ran out of it. Ack! Rusty water, I wondered? On closer inspection, about a cup of hytrans was in there making the dust a goop. I got that all cleaned up and put things back together, and that side needs new shoes too first chance I get. So, anybody changed the seal there on the shaft that the brake drum attaches to on a JD850 before? I am wondering what kind of trouble that might be?
JD850 and YM2500. Look at the YM2500 for parts too. IT may be 1/3rd the cost compared to buying the green name brand.
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue #24  
Familiar with a YM2500 refurbished. Never in the brakes of that tractor. I have done my YM2000 and wasn't much to the seal on it. The collar is difficult to get off SC-4130 but the seal itself is pretty easy . 42x80x9TC Repl.194130-33461 is what I show.
Interesting the models they used yours on. YM 2200,2500,2700.
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue #25  
Familiar with a YM2500 refurbished. So never in the brakes of that tractor. I have done my YM2000 and wasn't much to the seal on it. The collar is difficult to get off SC-4130 off the shaft but the seal it self is pretty easy . 42x80x9TC Repl.194130-33461
Interesting the models they used yours on. YM 2200,2500,2700.
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue
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#26  
Okay--I have had the clutch back together and installed for days and I am still waiting for USPS to deliver that one bushing for the throw out bearing assembly that I had to order off E-bay that shipped from Wisconsin like a week ago. I can get stuff from China quicker than this! I can't wait to look out there and not see a big ol' space between the front and back halves of my tractor. By the way, I got the brakes all gussied up and adjusted to spec while I wait forever for a bushing....
 
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#27  
The JD850 went back together more easily that I expected--twice! I'll get to that in a sec, but first let me mention the bushing in the throwout bearing assembly.

When I inspected the hole in the middle of that throwout bearing assembly (two springs hold it in place) I could see that the brass bushing inside it was worn to one side (about 8 o'clock) on the end facing the clutch all the way through and into the steel at the outer edge. I got the part number from JD for the bushing and that is CH-13095. I had trouble finding the parts for the dual clutch plates and throwout bearing (as mentioned before) and got them from Southern Global. Nobody seemed to carry the bushing for the dual clutch. I finally found one in an open box, but original JD part for $25 with $4 shipping on E-bay. It took nearly a week and a half to get here USPS--so that was extremely disgruntling. When I opened the box and saw the length of the bushing it became obvious to me that it wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection I discovered that there isn't one CH-13095 in the assembly but rather there are two in there, one at each end with a small gap between them. I drove out the one that was worn through and replaced it with the new one. On the other end, as the bushing was worn in an oblong fashion, I removed the old bushing, turned it 180 degrees, and put it back in the assembly with the thick remaining edge now facing the area most worn before--I was not about to waste another two weeks waiting on a bushing if I even could find another one.

That all went fine and is re-installed. Then I took the clutch finger aligning tool that I made from a pasta box to the specs provided on that diagram provided on another forum post and checked the position of those bolts (that meet up with the throwout bearing). These were 1/4 inch too short. I wondered about messing with the setting on them and taking them to the pasta box tool setting. But, as this is the way they came from the factory and I figured they were all even and I could adjust with the clutch pedal adjustment outside the tractor. I got the two sections of tractor back together again and found that I did not have enough adjustment in the clutch adjustment rod--it was too short.

So split the tractor again I did. Also worth mentioning here is a video I found on Youtube with a guy putting a clutch in a JD950--same clutch. He did not want to buy the adjustment tool from JD for $100 so he talked to a local mechanic who told him to just set the clutch finger adjustment bolts so that the threaded ends all are even with the backside of the finger tips--that this makes them all even and is close enough. I did this and that was the perfect 1/4 inch I needed to get the spaghetti box alignment tool to touch the flywheel and the clutch finger bolt tips. Why they were off from the factory that much I do not understand, but it seems to be the ticket here.

I now have the beast back together--again, I did not have the shaft spline alignment tool, but by turning the PTO shaft with the PTO in gear I was able to align that up easily when putting it back together. Once that PTO shaft was in place, next I was able to put a socket and ratchet onto the front of the crankshaft at the harmonic balancer and turn the engine to line up the transmission shaft and complete getting the tractor back together. The clutch pedal adjustment is better, although I still am not getting it quite to the 1" range before the pedal engages that the manual suggests. But, I am about to go out and put all the stuff back onto the tractor and fire it up to see if I've got everything back in working order.

I'll report in when I know....
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue #28  
The JD850 went back together more easily that I expected--twice! I'll get to that in a sec, but first let me mention the bushing in the throwout bearing assembly.

When I inspected the hole in the middle of that throwout bearing assembly (two springs hold it in place) I could see that the brass bushing inside it was worn to one side (about 8 o'clock) on the end facing the clutch all the way through and into the steel at the outer edge. I got the part number from JD for the bushing and that is CH-13095. I had trouble finding the parts for the dual clutch plates and throwout bearing (as mentioned before) and got them from Southern Global. Nobody seemed to carry the bushing for the dual clutch. I finally found one in an open box, but original JD part for $25 with $4 shipping on E-bay. It took nearly a week and a half to get here USPS--so that was extremely disgruntling. When I opened the box and saw the length of the bushing it became obvious to me that it wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection I discovered that there isn't one CH-13095 in the assembly but rather there are two in there, one at each end with a small gap between them. I drove out the one that was worn through and replaced it with the new one. On the other end, as the bushing was worn in an oblong fashion, I removed the old bushing, turned it 180 degrees, and put it back in the assembly with the thick remaining edge now facing the area most worn before--I was not about to waste another two weeks waiting on a bushing if I even could find another one.

That all went fine and is re-installed. Then I took the clutch finger aligning tool that I made from a pasta box to the specs provided on that diagram provided on another forum post and checked the position of those bolts (that meet up with the throwout bearing). These were 1/4 inch too short. I wondered about messing with the setting on them and taking them to the pasta box tool setting. But, as this is the way they came from the factory and I figured they were all even and I could adjust with the clutch pedal adjustment outside the tractor. I got the two sections of tractor back together again and found that I did not have enough adjustment in the clutch adjustment rod--it was too short.

So split the tractor again I did. Also worth mentioning here is a video I found on Youtube with a guy putting a clutch in a JD950--same clutch. He did not want to buy the adjustment tool from JD for $100 so he talked to a local mechanic who told him to just set the clutch finger adjustment bolts so that the threaded ends all are even with the backside of the finger tips--that this makes them all even and is close enough. I did this and that was the perfect 1/4 inch I needed to get the spaghetti box alignment tool to touch the flywheel and the clutch finger bolt tips. Why they were off from the factory that much I do not understand, but it seems to be the ticket here.

I now have the beast back together--again, I did not have the shaft spline alignment tool, but by turning the PTO shaft with the PTO in gear I was able to align that up easily when putting it back together. Once that PTO shaft was in place, next I was able to put a socket and ratchet onto the front of the crankshaft at the harmonic balancer and turn the engine to line up the transmission shaft and complete getting the tractor back together. The clutch pedal adjustment is better, although I still am not getting it quite to the 1" range before the pedal engages that the manual suggests. But, I am about to go out and put all the stuff back onto the tractor and fire it up to see if I've got everything back in working order.

I'll report in when I know....
One thing to ask. For the special bushing, can you post an image of it here? The one you got off eBay? Chances are, we could match it to the original Yanmar p/n or in best case, match it perfectly to a McMaster-Carr bushing out of the online catalog.

Yes, keep us posted on the progress!
 
   / JD 850 (Yanmar) Internal Clutch Linkage Issue #30  
Here is the link to the E-bay listing for the bushing that I purchased and it has a photo: *John Deere 1 NEW OEM Bushing CH13095 for Various Late Model Tractors | eBay
Let me know if you are not able to view it.

Thanks!
I'm able to view it. What are the dimensions of this bushing. It's basically this for a few simple dollars.

McMaster-Carr

or the pricey ones for about $5.

 

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