Internet over power poles

[k0ua]

I wonder if the menonites would have to abandon their beloved internet, seeing as the devil is in the wires or some such thing.

There was some commercial a few years ago by a large corporation, with Sean Connery as the narrator. They showed a high tension power corridor, saying something about information traveling along these wires. This nonsense bothered me so much, I wrote the company. For whatever reason, I never saw the commercial again.

Some of the high voltage transport wires will have a fiber optic core. So yes power lines can also transport high speed data (and voice too now, since voice is just data now too.)

 

[CADplans]

I wonder if Mr Haney will install/service these,, also???

 

[Industrial Toys]

But probably not then.

Why would they not just use the towers for a separate fiber run, or the corridor for buried fiber. What's the point of messing with the HV?

 

[CADplans]

Why would they not just use the towers for a separate fiber run, or the corridor for buried fiber.
What's the point of messing with the HV?

Why??? to prove a point,,,

Have you ever had to fight the "not invented here syndrome"??

I have,, I lost!! :laughing:

 

[k0ua]

But probably not then.

Why would they not just use the towers for a separate fiber run, or the corridor for buried fiber. What's the point of messing with the HV?

From what I understand, the fiber imbedded in the HV transmission wires is usually used by the power companies for their long haul telemetry needs. Maybe some of the guys who worked for power companies can help out here. But I don't see why they couldn't use the excess bandwidth available on the fiber to sell to others for point to point circuits also. With the advent of DWDM (Dense Wave Division Multiplexing) as a means to achieve more bandwidth on existing fiber, It would seem to me that they would do this.

Imagine if you will that at some point in time you have a "pipe" (a fiber) that you can push thru 10 gallons a minute of "fluid". Now comes along a new technology that can push thru 100 gallon a minute, and then later a new technology that can push thru 1000 gallons a minute thu this same small old pipe you layed years ago. This has been the case for embedded fiber networks. New technologies have come along to squeeze 10 pounds of "stuff" into a 1 pound bag.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I know around here, that they use explosives to crimp the lines. They added new towers to a corridor ten miles from hear a few years ago, and you could hear the explosions. I don't think fiber would like that much.

I'm sure the line workers union would love to add that extra dimension (and work) to their skill set. No one else could encroach on their territory.

I know electric utilities down in the city that are heavily into Fiber offerings. But that makes sense. You bury wire, you bury a fiber with it. Same with poles.

 

[PILOON]

Actually I sorta understand how it might work.
There are systems out there for wireless links that work off of your household outlets so apparently they have a way of transmitting data embedded in ac voltage lines. Hydro uses this technology to control power line switching as well.
Guess this is just an updated application.
Just don't ask me how it works!

 

[Industrial Toys]

In my way of thinking, high speed data requires a high quality and uniformity of media. High quality glass fiber and splices, high quality twisted pair, high quality uniform coax and precision microwave. It beets the heck out of me, how you could send high speed data in a very dirty, chaotic medium.

 

[MossRoad]

In my way of thinking, high speed data requires a high quality and uniformity of media. High quality glass fiber and splices, high quality twisted pair, high quality uniform coax and precision microwave. It beets the heck out of me, how you could send high speed data in a very dirty, chaotic medium.

But that's exactly what they want to achieve, since all that power line is already out there. No outlay for new. Just use the old. And why not if it works?

 

[Industrial Toys]

Even the new Z-Wave and Zigby format automated electrical devices don't use the lines they are connected to, using wireless instead.

Like I said, it's beyond me, how they will couple phases, get around transformers and go great distances.

Out utility has given up trying to communicate with Rural smart meters. They simply couldn't make it work. So time of use, for me is out. Thank God since I heat with electric! A utility worker told me, they went through five types of meters before giving up.

 

[MossRoad]

Even the new Z-Wave and Zigby format automated electrical devices don't use the lines they are connected to, using wireless instead.

Like I said, it's beyond me, how they will couple phases, get around transformers and go great distances.

Out utility has given up trying to communicate with Rural smart meters. They simply couldn't make it work. So time of use, for me is out. Thank God since I heat with electric! A utility worker told me, they went through five types of meters before giving up.

6th time is the charm!

 

[kcflhrc]

Why would they not just use the towers for a separate fiber run, or the corridor for buried fiber.

Fiber optic cable is expensive, and when you put it in the air it is open to all forms of damage. Putting it in the ground is crazy expensive but will last much longer as long as you can keep contractors from hitting it when they are putting in other utilities. You can literally run whole small towns off of 1 strand of fiber with today's technology.

 

[adventure bob]

They're not using the wire or what's in the wire. Essentially they're using the magfield of the power wires as a waveguide for their >30GhZ signal. If you have a waveguide you can shoot the signal farther with less distortion using less power than a signal through open air.

 

[k0ua]

They're not using the wire or what's in the wire. Essentially they're using the magfield of the power wires as a waveguide for their >30GhZ signal. If you have a waveguide you can shoot the signal farther with less distortion using less power than a signal through open air.

Exactly. The signals do not travel thru the electric wire. They are using the wire as a G line. Which is a type of wave guide.

 

[buickanddeere]

Already installed but not used due to squabbling behind the scenes . The data transmission system used for the smart meter data collection has the channels and data speed with a quawsi wifi protocol.

 

[k0ua]

As an aside today one of my friends who lives out in the sticks in Barry county, several miles from the nearest small town of Monett Mo. just got his fiber service from a new provider (Barry electric) that is wiring up the whole county with fiber. he reported a download speed of 406 Meg and 257 Meg upload. That is pretty close to 1/2 of a Gig download for those of your from Rio Linde.

That is about 20 times faster that what I have here in Branson over Cable. He is getting this for less than $100 per month.

Now what I want to know is how in heck are they able to do this? How can they make this pay out. When I was in telecom sales, we were told we could build out fiber for about $70,000 per mile.

If there is one thing I have learned about internet access and access speeds. There is a HUGE difference to what kind of service people can get in different parts of the world, and HUGE difference in what they are paying for it.

 

[ultrarunner]

If it actually works it should be real cheap to deploy. Burying cable is expensive.

Yep... the previous owners of my home in Washington declined Comcast when the build-out was happening the neighborhood...

It took years to get it to the house and the bids were 12 to 15k...

In the end I committed to a multi-year business agreement to get it installed.

 

[ultrarunner]

Rio Linda, California - Wikipedia

 

[rekees4300]

If there is one thing I have learned about internet access and access speeds. There is a HUGE difference to what kind of service people can get in different parts of the world, and HUGE difference in what they are paying for it.

It's about location, location, location. Hopefully this new technology and/or 5G will level the playing field.

 

[k0ua]

Rio Linda, California - Wikipedia

Doesn't it mean "beautiful river" in spanish? or something like that.

Rio Linda
A term (usually preceded by "for those of you in. . .") used by the nationally known radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh to poke fun at people who are not too bright. Based on an actual community in west Sacramento California whose residents Rush has jokingly characterized as being backwards, out of touch, or just mentally slow.

"Library - for those of you in Rio Linda that would be 'liberry'"

"A new anti-crime campaign, accounted for nearly a quarter of homicides--" that would be 25% for those of you in Rio Linda"