Inch vs metric

/ Inch vs metric #21  
Our CNC machinery basically required us to go metric about 15 years ago, a hard thing for a bunch of country boys that had never used it. Tired of listening to the guys in the shop grumble about dual dimensions, we dropped the standard dimensions from the drawings and issued everyone a new metric tape. That was a hoot for a couple of weeks.

Now the only reason we put decimal standard dimensions on drawings in parentheses is for the customer's benefit.
 
/ Inch vs metric #22  
1948berg, What a great thread you started I was laughing so hard I read your post with tears in my eyes to my wife. I'm on the fence with your question metric or inches, I don't know I convert everything in my head to inches but I'm OK with metric, especially with most of the automotove industry going that way. On my Kubota the tractor is metric but most of the implements are in inches including the Kubota made loader.
Steve
 
/ Inch vs metric #23  
[color:blueOn my Kubota the tractor is metric but most of the implements are in inches including the Kubota made loader.
Steve ] </font>

About the only thing made in the US on the Kubota tractor is the loader. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Do they use standard bolts on it, I don't recall. The loader measurements are both metric and standard (for our benefit).
 
/ Inch vs metric #24  
I'm with you Mith, why the English ever started this whole length of a kings foot system in the first place remains a mystery. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Inch vs metric #25  
Gomez to use km for distance and MPH for speed is backwards. Always use miles for distance as it is shorter than the distance to the same place in km. Same for speed. Always travel at kph as it is faster than mph. Don't believe me - do the math. (GRIN)
 
/ Inch vs metric #26  
Hi Gunnar,
Well it took me awhile to think in metric terms. All of our CAD drawings are for the most part in metric. As someone else stated this transition has taken place slowly, and we have only been totally metric for the past few years, in the business machines segment of our economy. I think my biggest problem with the whole thing was buying new tools. I am refering to micrometers and such. These tools are quite expensive to buy and we shouldered the bill ourself, meaning all the toolmakers and modelmakers /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif In fact I still convert some metric mm dimentions to english so I can use some of my larger mics /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif 105mm x .03937 = 4.1338 this works quite well just an added step. All and all not to bad but I was quite resistant in the beginning /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

scotty
 
/ Inch vs metric #27  
I remember a year or so ago a space probe crashed because the boys at JPL loaded the navigation data in miles instead of kilometers and the thing went down somewhere. I can see where that can get confusing.

John
 
/ Inch vs metric #28  
When I now go to the grocery and the butcher weighs out something on the electronic scale, it gives the weight in a system that is only partially English. Rather than using grams and kilograms, it still reads in pounds. But rather than subdivide the pounds into sixteeenths (ounces), it uses base ten increments. Whereas the old balance or spring scale would read "Two pounds, five and three-eights ounces", the electronic one reads "2.336 pound" English fractions are primarily in base two, but then 5280 ft/mile, 3ft/yd, 1760/yd/mile, 4qt/gal, 2pints/qt, 2c/pt, 8floz/c, 2tbsp/floz, 3tsp/tbsp, .etc. just has no consistent basis for division of increments. We've mostly dropped those like 8drams/oz, 60 grains/oz, 6ft/fathom, 3mi/league, 14days/fortnight, etc.

In the Metric system, not only are all measurements calibrated in base ten, all types of measurements are interrelated. For example, one cubic centimeter is virtually the same as a milliliter. A liter of H20 weighs one kilogram and a cc or ml weighs 1 gram. A calorie is the amount of heat needed to raise the temp. of 1 cc or 1 ml by 1 degree Celsius, so to warm 1 liter of liquid H20 from its freezing point (0C) to its boiling point (100C) requires 1000 x 100 calories=100,000 calories. A Newton of force accelerates 1 kg at 1m/sec. For chemistry and physics calculations, the conversion to Kelvin requires only the addition of 273.15 degrees, which is the differential between absolute zero and the freeze/thaw point of H20.

As Bird observed, once you know the system, it's much easier than the English system. Instead of all these arcane conversions, one usually does a small amount of multiplication or division, then moves a decimal several places. Students usually catch on pretty easily. As long as one stays within the metric system, it's not bad. The challenge for many is the conversion back and forth between English and Metric. This is the part that drives students crazy and is the reason the US has never fully embraced the Metric system. One generation would have to make the transition cold turkey, then our posterity would have it easier. The rest of the world has done it (even the English have abandoned the English system). Only we have not. Congress is not willing, because voters are not willing.

A week and a half ago, a new satellite successfully entered orbit around Mars. A couple of years before the rovers landed, we had a $600 million spacecraft that was supposed to enter Mars orbit. There were numerous teams working on the project who all had to send data back and forth about the project. About half did their calculations in English and the others in Metric. Of the teams working together on the complex calculus of final approach to the MOI (Mars Orbit Insertion) burn, one team forgot to convert their data from English to Metric (or vice versa). Because of this oversight, almost a billion dollars slipped right past Mars, headed for the emptiness of space.
 
/ Inch vs metric #29  
I think only the drug dealers have sucessfully converted to the metric system---knowing how many grams convert to an ounce and the like...lol /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Inch vs metric
  • Thread Starter
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Dont worry Cliff !!
Norway went metric in 1875 but inch and feet still follow us in everyday talk.
Anything in steel is metric now, exept nails, the package says 75mm but we call it 3". Lumber, like 48x98mm we still name 2x4, a sewage pipe is 160mm, but called 6". Younger people who has had their vocational training at school concequently uses mm in all their work.
I sit by a modern PC with a 17" screen! All tv sets are measured in inch! Even the folding rule wich measures meters and is one meter long is calle "inchrule". Boats and even trailors for camping are feet.
Anything floating is liter, weight is kilo. But I strongly dislike to hear that the motor of my car perform 120kw, **** its not a panel heater! My rifle is 7.52, but the shotgun still is cal 12.
My wife is a devoted quilter, anything she does is inch, and quarters, and she buys the fabric in yards! The cutting board on my combine is measured in feet. But all in all metric is the simplest and best system, and on that I wont give one inch!
 
/ Inch vs metric #31  
"But all in all metric is the simplest and best system, and on that I wont give one inch"


That is funny! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Joe
 
/ Inch vs metric #32  
Tom,

Other societies have made the transition, look at the responses ehre form England and Norway. I moved to France and I'm catching on. Yeah jsut one generation, that is all it would take.
Look at he Europeans converting their currency to Euros, they changed. I would support going metric in the USA, just bit the bullet and do it. I figure if all these countries can convert theri currency and they didn'g fall down on their knees, the USA can convert to metric.

It is so much easier for me to grab a #4 wrench or a #7 wrench than all the 3/16th" wrenchs in the American toolbox.

I would be willing to make the sacraice so the next generation Americans can have it easier using the metric.
 
/ Inch vs metric #33  
Being an engineer and CNC machine programmer, we run all of our equipment in "inch" mode whch (internally) converts to metric to run the programs.

All of out drawings are in inch and some have the metric in brackets. In manufacturing (other than the auto industry) we are still inch and probably won't change soon.

If we'd switch, I'd adapt, but I am happy not to. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
/ Inch vs metric #34  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It is so much easier for me to grab a #4 wrench or a #7 wrench than all the 3/16th" wrenchs in the American toolbox )</font>

I must be slow, why is it easier to pick up a metric wrench than a US standard wrench? There is only one 3/16th size wrench just as there is only one #4 size metric wrench.
 
/ Inch vs metric #35  
Further to the discussion on metric, or more precisely System International (SI), there are two scales I would like to see changed. The first is time. A day is a natural phenomenon so why don't we use it as the basis of our time standard and have decidays, centidays, millidays, etc.? Similarily a circle has 2 pi radians, another natural phenomenon. So why don't we measure angles in radians, deciradians, centiradians, milliradinas, etc.? It seems to me that these would make life a lot simpler than the current scales. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ Inch vs metric #36  
I'm sorry, I'll just stick to my cresent wrench. It's infinitely adjustable within its range. No need to think metric, no need to think inch.
 
/ Inch vs metric #37  
The crescent works well and you can also use it for a hammer! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Egon /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Inch vs metric #38  
Bird, I agree that a 2x4 should be measured by its finished dimensions.
Here's another that has drove me crazy. A fish aquarium is sold in various gallon sizes but they don't actually hold that much volume. The industry standard is to calculate the outside volume of the tank. This means that if the tank came in a cardboard box, the box would hold the specified volume. But, after you subract for the frame and thickness of glass, the tank actually holds quite a bit less. A standard 55 gallon tank only holds about 40 gallons of volume and a 90 gallon tank only holds about 63 gallons.
I've checked with various manufacturers and been told that this is an industry standard.
 
/ Inch vs metric #39  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( It is so much easier for me to grab a #4 wrench or a #7 wrench than all the 3/16th" wrenchs in the American toolbox )</font>

I must be slow, why is it easier to pick up a metric wrench than a US standard wrench? There is only one 3/16th size wrench just as there is only one #4 size metric wrench. )</font>

Because there are fewer metric wrenches to cover a given size range and the size difference from one to another is larger.

Harry K

Harry K
 
/ Inch vs metric #40  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The crescent works well and you can also use it for a hammer! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

Every tool is a hammer. Except a chisel, which is a screwdriver.

Cliff
 

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