IF You are a Tractor Operator in your ROOKIE Season.

[paulfun9]

Possibility of bending a con rod is one reason in a small diesel is one good reason, possibly?

The problem is people don't understand how to use it or how much to use and when bad things happen from improper use they then go around telling everyone that you should not use it for this or that because of what happened to them. When in fact if they were to have used the proper amount in the proper way they would have not broke their engine in the first place.

Like many here I have used it to start everything from single cyl 4 strokes all the way up to big diesel engines without ever hurting any of them I just don't use excessive amounts and know enough to disconnect any power to things like the glow plugs before even thinking about picking up the spray can.

 

[jenkinsph]

The problem is people don't understand how to use it or how much to use and when bad things happen from improper use they then go around telling everyone that you should not use it for this or that because of what happened to them. When in fact if they were to have used the proper amount in the proper way they would have not broke their engine in the first place.

Like many here I have used it to start everything from single cyl 4 strokes all the way up to big diesel engines without ever hurting any of them I just don't use excessive amounts and know enough to disconnect any power to things like the glow plugs before even thinking about picking up the spray can.

I agree ^^^^^^^
If you disconnect the glow plug or air chamber heaters you should be able to use ether to start most engines. While ether is cheap I use it sparingly, with engine turning I use very short bursts providing just enough to start the engine and add a little to keep it running for the first few seconds.

All of my current diesels have working glow plugs or heated chambers so I haven't used ether on any of these engines. I find carb cleaner to be convenient to use on small gas engines when diagnosing them.

 

[jenkinsph]

The problem is people don't understand how to use it or how much to use and when bad things happen from improper use they then go around telling everyone that you should not use it for this or that because of what happened to them. When in fact if they were to have used the proper amount in the proper way they would have not broke their engine in the first place.

Like many here I have used it to start everything from single cyl 4 strokes all the way up to big diesel engines without ever hurting any of them I just don't use excessive amounts and know enough to disconnect any power to things like the glow plugs before even thinking about picking up the spray can.

I agree ^^^^^^^
If you disconnect the glow plug or air chamber heaters you should be able to use ether to start most engines. While ether is cheap I use it sparingly, with engine turning I use very short bursts providing just enough to start the engine and add a little to keep it running for the first few seconds.

All of my current diesels have working glow plugs or heated chambers so I haven't used ether on any of these engines. I find carb cleaner to be convenient to use on small gas engines when diagnosing them.

 

[k0ua]

I love my Kioti... I love my ROPS heated cab. It was only7 18 F here this morning with some snow Kioti started right up, MY FM Normand 54" blower did the job nicely. I was in my shirtsleeves in the cab, with a hot coffee. Took me fifteen minutes start to finish. Last winter it took three hours. Reading the owners and Operators manual took the rest of the day... manual is a tad confusing. Found out that the dealer assembled the blower mount support levers incorrectly... W T F ??? ( and this took him three weeks!)
Can't find out where to add engine oil? Not in the manual... Anybody know?

Jix

Jix what Kioti do you have? your profile say you have a Kubota B7100D. My Kioti has the oil fill on the injector pump. An orange rubber plug you pull out that says OIL on it. Or it may say 710 on it... but it kinda depends on if it is put in upside down.

 

[jix]

KOua: My profile is out of date. I have a new Kioti 2015 Tier 4 model 2510 HST (24.5 HP) with loader and a Really good Normand ( Kioti) 54" frount mount snow blower with hydraulic chute controls, Heated cab (factory). It is a nice machine and quite powerful. I have used the loader to remove some rather gnarly small tree roots, Re ditch my driveway and drainage ditches, reshape some sloping grassy areas, re-grade my crushed stone driveway. Push away some old tree trunks and clean up my large back yard 1. 5 acres.; It is a dandy and cost effective machine. No problem starting @ 15 Deg F. I also have a blo0ck heater, but have not needed it so far this rather mild winter season. my only issue is that this machine will not drive a bigger bush hog, nor a bigger box blade, even tho I have filled turf tires on it, due to horsepower limitations at the PTO. Not a problem for me on this cleared level land. A 35 HP machine would be nice, but too expensive for me. The low CDN dollar really hurts, plus the 13% sales taxes...So I await a lottery win ( but that may be awhile, since I do not buy lottery tickets,
They are a tax on stupid) I am a snr. citizen, on a pension, so I try to stay away from credit.... and hi-maint. women. A big plus with my tractor/SB is that my dear wife can drive it, no problem, If I get sick.

Our driveway is about 24x 200 feet. The government highway plow fills it in every pass. GrrrrRRR. Kioti to the rescue. My old B7100 Kubota got traded in for a nice price. It had gears. and a poor, slow, rear blower. 13 HP was not enough, but it did the job for one year... at about 4 hours per storm. Worse winter in our history, too.
The Kioti CK 2510 HST gets really good fuel economy. 14 hours on the meter cost me 6.5 gals (US) in fuel... Better by far that the older B7100 Kubota gear tractor did.
Color me a happy member of the Kioti pack!---:thumbsup:

PS: Yesterday was a scotch and water day.. Becoz I was in an inexplicable bad mood. Scotch fixes that!, But just one doiuble is enuff...Zoink.. naptime.! BTW..the oil fill on my tractor is NOT on the injector pump..it is Near the injector pump. Described as you posted, kOua

Regards to you. Happy tractoring this winter...

Jix:laughing:

 

[jix]

I got a user manual from my dealer yesterday.. Quite a lot of good stuff in that book..I found out where to put in the engine oil.. and lots of other clues. Peeple should read it, if they own a new Kioti CH 2510... There is a lotta misinformation on TBN, Based upon past models.

NEVER put oil in the valve cover opening.. Gonna hydrolock the pistons, probably... Never use ether, either. The Kioti has wonderful glow plugs. If you use diesel additive for winter operations, you will be good with a block heater all the way down to Kee-KEE temps..Such as minus 50* F. Just let her warm up for 15 mins before you charge off in the heated cab. Don't even need a sweater in there. I Effin love it!

 

[k0ua]

I envy your cab.. We don't have near the snow and cold you guys have, but it does snow, and sometimes it gets pretty cold. Cold enough that your legs can go numb after being out in it for several hours pushing the snow around.

 

[jix]

Oh yes..it gets very cold here. A few years ago, I did my snow blowing with an ATV blower. I dresesed in arctic clothing with a lot of clothes on. It took me 4 hours to do it. When I came into the house and took off my mukluks, wool socks, etc. I discovered that one of my toes was totally black from frostbite. it was frozen through and then after several months of agony, it was amputated.... How cold was it? MINUS 45* F.... so thereafter I had to take my snowblowing task in shifts, to warm up every two hours.
I got a small Kubota, then had a Custom cab with heater built for it. The heater was wonderful, but it was too slow.
Since it will not stop snowing here in winters, I traded my tractor in on a new Kioti CK 2510 HST with the factory cab.
It can do the snow in less than an hour... in nice warm heat in the cab. I got all my money back on the trade, but not my frozen toe.---

 

[k0ua]

Oh yes..it gets very cold here. A few years ago, I did my snow blowing with an ATV blower. I dresesed in arctic clothing with a lot of clothes on. It took me 4 hours to do it. When I came into the house and took off my mukluks, wool socks, etc. I discovered that one of my toes was totally black from frostbite. it was frozen through and then after several months of agony, it was amputated.... How cold was it? MINUS 45* F.... so thereafter I had to take my snowblowing task in shifts, to warm up every two hours.
I got a small Kubota, then had a Custom cab with heater built for it. The heater was wonderful, but it was too slow.
Since it will not stop snowing here in winters, I traded my tractor in on a new Kioti CK 2510 HST with the factory cab.
It can do the snow in less than an hour... in nice warm heat in the cab. I got all my money back on the trade, but not my frozen toe.---

I am sorry to hear about your toe. You have to be really careful when it is really cold. I was out for about 4 hours one gloomy day on the tractor and when I got in I was starting to wonder if the tops of my legs were ever going to get feeling in them again. It took some time to warm up. I had stayed out just a bit too long with nothing but blue jeans and it was just too cold for that long. I had plenty of layers on my upper torso, so I was ok there but my legs just got too cold. You want to finish, so I did not come in earlier and I should have.

No permanent damage, but I was starting to get worried. It sounds like you should have come in for a bit about 2 hours before you did..

 

[jix]

Yes, James.. you must take break to warm up..at least once every two hours.. but I know what you mean.. you just want to get it finished.

It is strange to me. because I once lived in a very northern location It was in Alert, NW., only about nine hundred miles from the axial north pole. It occasionally got be more than 50* F below zero there, with high winds. It would freeze your face in ten minutes, but it never bothered my feet because I kept moving... but there was no way to keep warm in that kind of cold if you were outside of heated shelter for more than 15 minutes. None. The camp dogs would get themselves buried in the snow out of the wind and they seemed to be Okay...but if you ever brought them inside where it was warm, they had to stay inside until there was a warmer day, before they went out again, so that their fur was completely dry, or they would freeze to death. Arctic weather is a different world than most can imagine. The coldest that I ever experienced was minus 90* F..and that was in Thule, Greenland. The storms there were unbelievable.. wind speeds at 130 Mph. Going outside was forbidden then. Buildings all connected by rope lines for emergency Exit if a fire occurred in your building. Arftic air is very dry.. so fire is very a dangerous hazard in the dwelling spaces. All the plywood and cork buildings were set upon concrete pilings and werechained down to immense concrete blocks so they would not be blown off the pilings. We had a D7 bulldozer outside in a wlliiwaw storm and it was found out on the sea ice where the wind had blown it, after the storm. A wlliwaw storm happens when the surface land temp gets warmer than the temp up on the top of the greenland icecap, so that all the colder high air tries t0 changes places through the channel of the Fiords. Winds there have been recorded at 240 Mph, in a Williwaw storm so they say.---

jix

Ever since, I have been scared of really cold windy weather.. sorta like being traumatized, maybe even like PTSD. So I need warmth to function. I would not make much of a Eskimo. I never drive far from home in the winter. Too dangerous!

yeah, I needed a heated cab on my tractor.-----:thumbsup: