Identify This Snake

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BTDT, almost any snake can make a bad smell. In fact, it is probably a more common defense for non-poisonous snakes than poisonous ones. Hog nosed snakes in particular for making bad smells. Its a form of musk.

I'm firmly with BamaRob on this one. I don't kill snakes of any sort. There is simply no need. Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone. And remember, most poisonous snakes are solitary, shy and rare compared to non-poisonous ones. There are obvious exceptions.

A couple of things to remember: Nearly any snake will act aggressive if cornered. They will coil, hiss, strike and many will even put their tail in the leaves and rattle it like a rattler. Corn snakes get mistaken for copperheads. Brown and banded water snakes get mistaken for water moccasins. Water snakes are highly aggressive, they are fat and their heads are often diamond shaped somewhat. I've caught and handled lots of non-poisonous snakes but I don't mess with water snakes if possible. (I have handled a Coral Snake).

Another sort of myth is the deadly nature of these snakes. Most poisonous snake bites are non-fatal, even with the big diamondbacks. Water moccasins and copperheads are highly unlikely to kill an adult, or even a dog. They rarely kill children. That doesn't mean anyone wants to be bitten, but the effects of these snakes tends to get exaggerated. There are fatalities every year from snake bites, but I'd be willing to bet that snake bite fatalities are far lower than bee sting deaths and few of us go around killing bees.

I spent a few years growing up in Jacksonville, Florida. There was a burned out field in the back yard full of gopher turtle holes. We constantly had rattlers in the yard. Mostly cane break and pygmy rattlers. Had a bunch of baby pygmys born in the garage. A little girl picked up several of them and they did not bite her. My Dad scooped them up in a box and let them go in the woods. I guess it is that background that made me not particularly fearful of snakes.

Sadly, the Eastern Diamondback is nearly endangered. It is the largest poisonous snake on the continent. They are beautiful and awesome to see, especially a big six footer. I think it is sad to see them on decline. They have never been responsible for any significant level of human injury and as in many snake bite cases it is because someone is messing with them.
 
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I'm no friend of a snake, but I do realize their benefits. I killed one copperhead next to my porch many years ago, but I leave anything else I can identify, especially black snakes (natural enemy of copperheads, right?). I'll jump/run from them if startled, but not if I see them a ways off first. The one I killed was sleeping near my porch, I almost picked it up thinking it was a stray leaf. The business end of a shovel performed a nice beheading... I will take no chances with my dogs running around. If I can't identify it immediately, I'll kill it immediately if possible...
 
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VABlue said:
I'm no friend of a snake, but I do realize their benefits.

Good. Many don't (realize their benefits) and kill them indiscriminately.

VABlue said:
I will take no chances with my dogs running around. If I can't identify it immediately, I'll kill it immediately if possible...

Understandable.

BR
 
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Found this guy laying in the red dyed wood chip mulch. I'm not sure what species this one is. It's 'bout a foot long. This is the third species I've found here in the last few weeks. That's two more than I'm accustomed to finding
 

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OK I have a snake story too. My new wife who was born and raised in tulsa, oklahoma and had never been living in the country had been living at her new home on 25 acres in the ozark mountains about three months. she got up to leave the bedroom and asked me " Is that what I think it is ?" I asked her what she was talking about and she said look on top of the VCR. I looked and there was a black snake about 3 foot long coiled up with it's head up in the air just looking at us. It was enjoying the warmth from the VCR. I told her yep it is a snake. I got up and looked at it closer and made shure that it was non poisonous. I had her get me a clothes basket and I took a broom and pushed it into the basket. I put the lid on the basket and then took it out into the field a ways and turned it loose. I figured the whole time i was out of the house my new wife would be packing. When I got back into the house she was back in bed. I asked her if she was ok. She said sure it was no big deal not like it had crawled into the bed or anything. That is the only time in 20 years of living in that house that I have seen a snake in the house.


I am sorry to disapoint some of you but I kill any poisonous snake that I see around my house. The poster that said poisonous snakes are shy and dont bother you. That might be true but I have seen water moccasins that have no problem attacking you if you just happen to be on the same part of the earth near where they are.
 
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I have seen water moccasins that have no problem attacking you if you just happen to be on the same part of the earth near where they are

It does sometimes seem that way.:D In 1979, two friends and I were fishing at night in my bass boat at Cedar Creek Lake. We were tied up under a bridge, fishing straight down with minnows. The bridge was high enough to drive under in the boat and tie up under there, but not high enough for a man to stand up in the boat. And then we saw a big moccasin coming straight at us. It seemed it was coming to attack, although of course I figure it was just attracted to the light from the lantern. When it got close enough to the boat, one of the guys hit at it with the tip of his rod and his line was still out with a sinker in about 25' of water. And he threw a half hitch around that snake's tail; no way he could have ever done that on purpose, but when he raised the tip of his rod, he had the snake caught. The other guy promptly whipped out a knife to cut the line, but I stopped him before he could cut it and had the one with the snake caught to swing it over against the side of the boat and I beat the thing to death with a paddle.

I sure remembered that incident when BTDT mentioned poisonous snakes smelling bad because that thing stunk worse than any snake I ever saw.
 
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An experience I had when I was a kid made me decide to just leave snakes alone and watch them. When I was working in the yard, I thought I saw a snake and picked up a stick to hit it with. I was relieved when I saw the suspected snake was just a stick but I was terrified when I discovered the stick I picked up to hit it with was a snake!:eek:
 
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This is an amazing thread. I agree with the guy from AR a cotton mouth will sometimes attack. And, don't underestimate the venom of a copperhead either. I saw a guy get bitten by a copperhead, and almost lost a leg. Of course he was to stingy to get a shot. And, went to a bootlegger and got himself some whiskey instead. Of course that made his heart pump it around pretty fast.
I recently shot two cotton mouth snakes in one of my ponds. The reason is some boys have been getting in there even though I have posted signs and no trespassing signs. I don't want them to get hurt, nor do I want a law suit if they do.
All that said, for the most part I let them go. I don't relish killing anything like that, and they are good for control of other pests as well. I always taught my daughter and grandkids to be respectful of life.
 
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TrippleT said:
This is an amazing thread. I agree with the guy from AR a cotton mouth will sometimes attack. And, don't underestimate the venom of a copperhead either. I saw a guy get bitten by a copperhead, and almost lost a leg. Of course he was to stingy to get a shot. And, went to a bootlegger and got himself some whiskey instead. Of course that made his heart pump it around pretty fast.
I recently shot two cotton mouth snakes in one of my ponds. The reason is some boys have been getting in there even though I have posted signs and no trespassing signs. I don't want them to get hurt, nor do I want a law suit if they do.
All that said, for the most part I let them go. I don't relish killing anything like that, and they are good for control of other pests as well. I always taught my daughter and grandkids to be respectful of life.

Went to a bootlegger. I have not heard that expression used in quite a while. Arkansas is one of the few states I believe that has dry counties. What part of arkansas are you from. I live in the Fort Smith, Area
 
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N80 said:
Another sort of myth is the deadly nature of these snakes. Most poisonous snake bites are non-fatal, even with the big diamondbacks. Water moccasins and copperheads are highly unlikely to kill an adult, or even a dog. They rarely kill children. That doesn't mean anyone wants to be bitten, but the effects of these snakes tends to get exaggerated. There are fatalities every year from snake bites, but I'd be willing to bet that snake bite fatalities are far lower than bee sting deaths and few of us go around killing bees.

This is a good point, and I agree with much of what is said here. Poisonous snakes are statistically unlikely to be fatal, and overall the snakes are beneficial. However, even though pit viper evenomations are rarely fatal, they are still often a serious and debilitating injury. Up to 80% of the time pit vipers do not inject venom when they bite, but when they do, the bite often results in extreme pain, swelling and necrosis (tissue death) in the affected extremity. Permanent disability is not uncommon. For these reasons one should never intentionally handle a poisonous snake. I could dig up and post some pictures of injuries from pit viper bites but they are too graphic for many to view.
 

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