Loader I think I really messed up new tractor

[AGGIE00]

What you have there looks to be pretty minor. The torque tube between the plates seems to be torqued and if cut, realigned and rewelded would be good to go. At the very most replace the quick attach. You still need to diagnose why it came loose in the first place.

 

[jcliburn]

My gosh, that's a clean tractor!!!

You can check to see if your loader arms are bent by removing the SSQA frame and lowering the loader onto a level surface. I bet they aren't bent though. I think you've just bent the tube that connects the two plates.

A new SSQA frame for my loader (LA844) was about $690 a year ago, but like I said earlier, I repaired mine instead. It works fine.

 

[DK35vince]

Its just the QA torque tube thats bent.
Its a simple fix. Cut the tube off, get everything back to straight and weld the tube back in.

 

[grsthegreat]

yup, like i thought. it looks like a real easy repair to me.....i personally wouldn't cut anything, id just first try to pull it the other way to re straighten it. chains and binders or hydraulics would work.

 

[Bob77064]

It looks like just the quick attach, it can be straightened.

 

[Redneck in training]

The dealer I purchased both from has gone out of business. I do have the kubota insurance so I will have to check with them regarding coverage. Here are better picks. I really appreciate all the great input.View attachment 244610

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Curl the QA in such a position that the cylinders are about perpendicular to it. You will have the best mechanical advantage. Then chain or some other way restrict extension of the left cylinder and curl down. You should be able to twist the cross-member back to original shape.

 

[crazyal]

If you have Kubota insurance I would just pay the $250 and have a dealer look at everything. It's possible you might have done damage to the grapple and loader and it would cover that too. It doesn't look hard to fix yourself if the money is an issue but if you don't get it straight you could have problems with the QA.

 

[Coyote machine]

Welcome to TBN.
You can try to straighten things out. If unsuccessful then use a welder to fix what can't be straightened, including possibly cutting and welding the torsion tube back to straight. You may still have to replace the QA pad, but you'll find out when all is done. Your right hyd cylinder is down to the loader arm and hopefully not bent at all or twisted. Make sure to check where the cylinder mounts at the top of the loader arm to see if the brackets are out of line at all.
When done you now know not to try to lift such a long load with the grapple. The sway on a long log- 30' or so can really exert drastic racking force on the loader arms, as in your case, and if you got it too high off the ground would lift one of your rear wheels off the ground in virtually no time in an attempt to flip the tractor entirely; so be careful going forward from this point and cut trees into more manageable size, and keep the center of gravity low by keeping the larger logs close to ground until you have more hours on the clock.
Also use adequate ballast on the rear of the tractor.

FWIW, the original pics can be seen better by clicking on them and pressing the control and + buttons to expand the size of the pic on your screens:thumbsup:

Second set was better though....

 

[wcampbell47]

I have a new B3200 with the "braceless" loader and a 5 year old B7510 with a loader that has a brace or bar from sidearm to sidearm just in front of the steering wheel.

The older loader seems much more sturdy than the new. As long as I am picking up a balanced load the B3200 seems ok, but it sure twists more than the older one if most of the load is on one side.

Is it possible that more pressure on one side caused the loader arms to "twist" allowing the grapple to become disconnected. That combined with a loose fit either a bucket or grapple seems like a bad recipe.

 

[North Country]

Curl the QA in such a position that the cylinders are about perpendicular to it. You will have the best mechanical advantage. Then chain or some other way restrict extension of the left cylinder and curl down. You should be able to twist the cross-member back to original shape.

If it bends back to neutral using just hydraulic pressure, then it's been weakened too much and will bend again under normal loads.

 

[lilranch2001]

I dont know.....
does the hydro cylinder in the third pic look like the left cylinder is out farther than the right cylinder?

 

[jcliburn]

I dont know.....
does the hydro cylinder in the third pic look like the left cylinder is out farther than the right cylinder?

I think it's just not retracted as far. You can see the fully retracted plate is against the mechanical stop, so its cylinder is in the position the unretracted side should actually be and would be if it could rotate further toward the tractor.

 

[teg]

Find a new dealer to work with... let them know what happened and that your original dealer is gone and your looking for a new dealer to work with. You'll need to be buying maintenance supplies from someone, might as well be from a dealer that will help you with this problem.

 

[Short Game]

The second set of pics are good. That crossbar is really small. If I couldn't pull it straight with the hydraulics, I'd cut and weld. In any event, I think I would beef that little bar up, either with bigger tubing, or wrap it with heavy angle iron. Either way, you don't seem to have done any huge damage. Welcome to on the job training. Tractors are a learning experience.

 

[ishiboo]

Looks easily repairable if it's just the quick attach with an issue.

I think what many people are assuming is that the quick attach failed and one half of the grapple came loose. I think the error is lifting a 30 foot tree with a small tractor loader.

A 30' tree trunk weighs a decent amount, but your loader can probably lift the weight. The issue is if it is uneven, or gets stuck on something or anything else, the 15' or more of tree sticking out acts as a HUGE lever which can put a ton of torque on the loader. Same concept as a cheater bar for loosening a bolt... torque.

If you absolutely have to lift a tree that big with your loader, chain it under the bucket with enough space that if it hits something, weighs too much, etc., it doesn't torque the loader. Don't use a grapple.

 

[pat32rf]

On the JD system that crossbar is just held in place with a couple of roll pins. When they got lost I replaced them with 1/4 bolts which shear off now and then due to load flex. All they really have to do is keep both sides in line when hooking up a different bucket/forks/grapple. All the strength should be in the attachment.

 

[AGGIE00]

On the JD system that crossbar is just held in place with a couple of roll pins. When they got lost I replaced them with 1/4 bolts which shear off now and then due to load flex. All they really have to do is keep both sides in line when hooking up a different bucket/forks/grapple. All the strength should be in the attachment.

This is true when you consider that without quick attach there are no more than two cylinders dangling from the fel. I don't like it though because you gain a lot of strength from them being rigid like a true skid steer. I think the global quick attach is far superior to this system for many reasons.

 

[RobertN]

When I looked at the pictures I expected something much more robust. The Bobcat, CAT, and ASV machines I have used had a much more robust quick attach plate. Even the smaller ASV RC30 30hp machine had a much more robust QA

I would consider repairing it with a more robust QA plate... This one bent already, that torque rod looks wimpy...

Here are a couple I found with a quick Google...

Universal Skid Steer Adaptor UA-30
Compact and Front End Loader Converter : Quick Attach Attachments, Inc.
Attachments – Bobcat Skid-Steer Loaders - Bobcat Company

 

[cdaigle430]

I tried to pic up a tree with my grapple that was apparently to heavy for my loader. It was about 30ft. I just wanted to pic one end up to make the sawing a little easier. I got it up to high...picked the tree up. It rocked a little then the right side loader quick connect popped off the grapple. The loader is pretty bent up. Take a look at the pictures and let me know if the tractor needs to go back to the dealer.

Put a damper on the weekend!


[/ATTACH]

I think you'll be alright since you have the Kubota insurance-just need to find a dealer now.

 

[grsthegreat]

I think you'll be alright since you have the Kubota insurance-just need to find a dealer now.

well you can do that....and spend $250. or you can try to attach a chain to one side and rotate it back straight for free....... cant make it any worse.