Hydraulic ?'s.. Attn: MadRef or someone?

JSUnlimited · Feb 2, 2006

Hydraulic ?\'s.. Attn: MadRef or someone?

Earlier I posted in the NH forum about adding TnT to a TC24DA. The more I search for info., the more questions I have. So I thought posting in a general forum, I could get a couple answers. Since I have a BH that when attached, runs of the power beyond line off the loader joystick. When the BH is off, the line is connected back to the manifold to supply the 3pth.

1.) Can I supply a 2-spool open-center valve (for TnT) from the power-beyond from loader then from the power-beyond of the TnT valve, back to the supply of the 3pth?

2.) Do I really need cylinders w/check valves?

3.) Has anyone bought from surpluscenter.com?

4.) What specs. should the valve have if I were to order one?

5.) Anyone use Prince cylinders and valves..any good?

Sorry for so many questions, it seems some of the mentioned people that sell these set-ups are too busy or out of stock. I'm thinking of buying the major components (valves, cylinders from somone who has them) and having the hoses made locally. Of course the cylinder ends and valve mounts will have to be fabbed up custom. Thanks

BobReeves · Feb 2, 2006

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1.) Can I supply a 2-spool open-center valve (for TnT) from the power-beyond from loader then from the power-beyond of the TnT valve, back to the supply of the 3pth?

Yes

2.) Do I really need cylinders w/check valves?
Yes
3.) Has anyone bought from surpluscenter.com?
Yes, no problems

4.) What specs. should the valve have if I were to order one?
Open Center with Power Beyond and enough GPM to match your existing valve.

5.) Anyone use Prince cylinders and valves..any good?
Can't help on this one

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MadReferee · Feb 2, 2006

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( 1.) Can I supply a 2-spool open-center valve (for TnT) from the power-beyond from loader then from the power-beyond of the TnT valve, back to the supply of the 3pth? )

Yes, all valves must be in series. Loader to aux to 3pt.

( 2.) Do I really need cylinders w/check valves? )

Not really, but you will be extremely disappointed if you don't have them. If you read posts here, just about everyone agrees that the check valves will give you the best result, ie. no leakdown.

( 3.) Has anyone bought from surpluscenter.com?)

I buy plenty of stuff from Surplus Center. They usually have the best prices around.

( 4.) What specs. should the valve have if I were to order one? )

If the implement flow on your tractor is less than 5 gpm go with the 2 spool Eaton-Cessna valve with the power beyond sleeve. If your TC24 is more than 5 gpm then go with the Prince SV valve configured for what you want. I used the SV, I know of one person who is using the Eaton-Cessna with no problems and it is much smaller in size and weight.

( 5.) Anyone use Prince cylinders and valves..any good? )

Prince or Chief. Both are good. I usually buy Chief (made by Bailey) as they are a few dollars cheaper than Prince.

I found that is was best to wait for the correct cylinders especially to get the right check valves. Putting a not-to-spec aftermarket check valve may or may not give the best results. If you want cylinders built special then go to Bailey's at www.baileynet.com and get a couple of Chief cylinders made with the ends you want.

I put my system together with a 3-spool Prince SV valve and a CCM top link. I also have a IE/CCM side link but rarely put it on the tractor.

MMM · Feb 3, 2006

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I don't have the TNT, but in industry we usually use double pilot check valve to keep cylinder positioned.

skipmarcy · Feb 3, 2006

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I bought from Surplus Center for my toplink and have had great results. I got a generic 2 1/2"x8" cylinder with a 1 1/2" ram for $59 and a Prince double-piloted check valve for $72. I got the weld-on swivel eye ends from Tractor Supply for about $7 each and was able to get my retracted length exactly where I wanted it when I cut the ram off to weld the eye on. Have used my rig now for about 6 months(about 200 hrs.) and am very happy with it. Can't advise on the control valve, my tractor had remotes already. Be sure to extend your ram out when welding the eye on the cylinder end so you don't damage the piston.

JSUnlimited · Feb 6, 2006

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Thanks guys for the infomation. I'm going to probably get the cylinders from CCM, the Eaton-Cessna control from Suplus, and get the hoses locally. Thanks again.

MadReferee · Feb 6, 2006

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Send a PM to Tim, screen name 8561. He has the Eaton-Cessna on his B2410 and can probably give you some info on installation and usage. I made the custom ROPS mount for him.

8561 · Feb 10, 2006

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Got your PM and responded. If you have any more questions, let me know.

JSUnlimited · Feb 11, 2006

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Thanks for the info 8561!

I was wondering if anyone has used the Prince SV series valve? Since it has load checks built in, and CCM is without cylinders for a while, could I use cylinders without pilot operated check valves?

MadReferee · Feb 11, 2006

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I am using the Prince SV with load checks in the work port section. Non-check valve cylinders will still leakdown. To get pilot operated check valves in the spool you have to order the SVL1CA1 work section. Load checks do not equal pilot operated check/lock functionality.

BTW, the Prince SV valve is at least twice the weight and uses a much bigger footprint (LxWxH) than the Eaton-Cessna valve.

AKfish · Feb 12, 2006

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Maybe a little late on this thread but this stuff is good... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Question on the custom ends for the cylinders --- did you or would you cut the old end off and then TIG a new one on the cylinder rod? Thanks for the comments. AKfish

JSUnlimited · Feb 12, 2006

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Yeah thats plan is if I did not buy the ones from CCM (if they ever have any). Some of the cylinders I have looked at do not have any ends on them.

MadReferee · Feb 12, 2006

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( Question on the custom ends for the cylinders --- did you or would you cut the old end off and then TIG a new one on the cylinder rod? )

That's the only way to do it right. TIG is the correct process to use for this application.

JSUnlimited · Feb 17, 2006

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One more question,

Knowing the stroke and retracted length needed, what would be the best bore for the top and side cylinders?

1.5", 2, 2.5" ???

MadReferee · Feb 17, 2006

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I'd go with 2.5". I believe the CCM cylinders are 2.5" but they could be 2" based on their rod diameter of 1.25". However, rod diameters are usually bigger on welded cylinders than tie rod cylinders of comparable bore.

Makes sense? Since these cylinders are not for heavy lifting I would go with the bigger rod diameter for better flex strength.

JSUnlimited · Feb 17, 2006

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Thanks, I'm STILL pondering about putting my own set-up together. I saw where B8FISH had IE set-up for sale for a JD2210. That's a little smaller than my TC24DA, but if the cylinders were the right size I'd give him a good offer! The wife says okay about the T&T.

The old saying goes...strike while the iron is hot. I wish Mark at CCM had stuff in stock before something else comes up around here and she changes her mind!

MadReferee · Feb 17, 2006

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I believe the IE stuff had one adjustable end on each cylinder which would allow you to change the retracted length. Their tilt cylinder had a 5" stroke. Not sure on the TL.

JSUnlimited · Feb 19, 2006

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Can you explain this valve and how it may be used? Never saw one like this before. He has a JD2210 and I'm not sure how the IE system works with the JD, wonder if this valve could be adapted to my NH?

I see the four hoses for the cylinders, but what are all of the other ones?

I'd really like to buy his set up but I'm not sure about this valve...

MadReferee · Feb 19, 2006

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There should be 7 connections on the valve for 7 hoses in total. 4 for the work ports, 1 for the inlet, 1 for the power beyond outlet and 1 for the return to tank outlet. The picture is not al that clear so I can't actually see what is what.

If it is configured as I just said then it will work.