HST over Geared tractor

[polo1665]

So.. lets see.. people that don't buy tractors with upgraded trannies are now stupid ( don't have enough inttelegence )and are making the 'wrong' choice, as per your comment???

By the way.. you don't have to look 'hard' to find a tractor with a crashbox. that statement alone shows that you don't get out and handle alot of machines on a daily basis....

soundguy

Not to be picky here, but I think you may have a misspelled word above. I went ahead and fixed it for you. There, see, doesn't that look better now?

I'll be the first to admit, I bought an HST tractor because I thought that I would end up burning up the clutch. Too much close in work in the woods and on the hills.

A man's got to know his limitations.

Mark

 

[RoyJackson]

Not to be picky here, but I think you may have a misspelled word above. I went ahead and fixed it for you. There, see, doesn't that look better now?

I'll be the first to admit, I bought an HST tractor because I thought that I would end up burning up the clutch. Too much close in work in the woods and on the hills.

A man's got to know his limitations.

Mark

Of course, we gear tranny guys are confident in our dexterity, hand/eye/foot coordination and intelligence, so we don't need no nanny state hydro transmission...but occasionally, we do need spell check!
But it is manly of you to admit you don't have the dexterity, hand/eye/foot coordination and intelligence to operate a gear transmission...very brave on the internet and you should make it part of your signature!

****, Soundguy probably did his post after a few belts...he's been doing those typos for at least 10 years...(no offense, Soundguy!!!)

 

[dex3361]

I know that "feeling" all too well and for me, I feel safer with an HST. My father in law died of a heart attack while driving this tractor and we just can't stand the thought of selling or trading it, so I will keep using it and dealing with the high "pucker factor".

I know how you feel I have a hard time getting rid of old iron even if it does not have sentimental attachments. I had a IH424 that I liked a lot about but it had a few to many marks in the unacceptable column (brakes, not power steering, and gas engine). If it had good brakes and the capability to keep good brakes on it I would have lived with the other discrepancies. I even built a ROPS for it to be safe.

 

[jenkinsph]

So.. lets see.. people that don't buy tractors with upgraded trannies are now stupid ( don't have enough intelegence )and are making the 'wrong' choice, as per your comment???

By the way.. you don't have to look 'hard' to find a tractor with a crashbox. that statement alone shows that you don't get out and handle alot of machines on a daily basis....

soundguy

I have one crashbox tranny now and it is a good tractor (JD820) but I don't need three of them. I pick the jobs it is suited for and use it and really like to use it in good weather. Some jobs the hydros (110, 4520) are better suited for and I can discern the difference.

I grew up with alot of the old iron and still like it today, most of the stuff was and is bullet proof. I don't expect the manufacturers to provide the parts to keep the new stuff running near as long as in the past. I expect as Roy does that the electronics will be difficult to get. I recognize that this is the way of the world and have to live beyond it. While I am still above ground I intend to have the best of both worlds. I may have to be open minded to do that.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Not to be picky here, but I think you may have a misspelled word above. I went ahead and fixed it for you. There, see, doesn't that look better now?

I'll be the first to admit, I bought an HST tractor because I thought that I would end up burning up the clutch. Too much close in work in the woods and on the hills.

A man's got to know his limitations.

Mark

He deserves to be picked. Check your spelling tho... Unless that was on purpose.
larry

 

[polo1665]

But it is manly of you to admit you don't have the dexterity, hand/eye/foot coordination and intelligence to operate a gear transmission...very brave on the internet and you should make it part of your signature!

How's this sound?


The HST trannie......A trannie for a man who's not a man's man, but is man enough to face it like a man's man can.

 

[RoyJackson]

How's this Sound?


The HST trannie......A trannie for a man who's not a man's man, but is man enough to face it like a man's man can.

OUTSTANDING!!!!
Make it so, lad!

 

[Soundguy]

That's it.. I'm outta this thread..

Down to spelling picking?

I type on a netbook with micro keyboard and 8" screen.. and I DO NOT go back and waste time to spell check. If it can be parsed by an average audience, I let it post.

soundguy

 

[SPYDERLK]

That's it.. I'm outta this thread..

Down to spelling picking?

I type on a netbook with micro keyboard and 8" screen.. and I DO NOT go back and waste time to spell check. If it can be parsed by an average audience, I let it post.

soundguy

Touchy too!
larry

 

[wolc123]

Think of the letter L when it comes to Hydros: Lawn-mowing, Loader use, Landscaping, Ladies (they always like hydros better), and Lazy folks (generaly less work involved in operation). I have (6) tractors. (2) Hydros are only used for lawn-mowing, gear tractors for everything else. My loader tractor is gear but shuttle shift and I admit that a hydro would be a little better for that application. Luckily, I dont have a lot of use for a loader so I get by ok with the gear/shuttle. Most of the work I do is open field mowing or heavy ground engageing tasks, both of which are far better suited to gear tractors.

 

[polo1665]

That's it.. I'm outta this thread..

Down to spelling picking?

I type on a netbook with micro keyboard and 8" screen.. and I DO NOT go back and waste time to spell check. If it can be parsed by an average audience, I let it post.

soundguy

The truly funny thing about this, is that I thought you had misspelled intelligence on purpose. I had no intention of nit-picking, just good natured joking around. Sorry I didn't make my intention clearer.

Heck, I'm known as the typo king around these parts Takes me ten extra minutes to post, gotta recheck everything

Mark

 

[dieselsmoke1]

LOL these gear/hydro threads are always a hoot.

Let's start another one strictly for the entertainment value.

 

[Egon]

[QUOTELadies (they always like hydros better][/QUOTE]

Never try and discern the likes/dislikes of the Farm ladies as they walk up the steps to the cab!

 

[radman1]

Think of the letter L when it comes to Hydros: Lawn-mowing, Loader use, Landscaping, Ladies (they always like hydros better), and Lazy folks (generaly less work involved in operation). I have (6) tractors. (2) Hydros are only used for lawn-mowing, gear tractors for everything else. My loader tractor is gear but shuttle shift and I admit that a hydro would be a little better for that application. Luckily, I dont have a lot of use for a loader so I get by ok with the gear/shuttle. Most of the work I do is open field mowing or heavy ground engageing tasks, both of which are far better suited to gear tractors.

I kind of like your perspective of the letter L and HST. However, even with open field mowing, I still like the HST. Mowing does not require any significant ground engaging effort. If an area of bush hogging is light, just step on the HST and go faster. If heavy, back off and mow slower.

For me gear drive wins with frequent and heavy ground engaging tasks. For the vast majority of users, frequent and prolonged ground engaging tasks are not common with CUTs. I would estimate a HST looses 15%-20% efficiency in putting power to the ground. However, most CUTS are probably overpowered compared to their weight and tire type (turf and R4s not best traction compared to R1s).

 

[RoyJackson]

LOL these gear/hydro threads are always a hoot.

Let's start another one strictly for the entertainment value.

Yeah, I could go back and copy some posts from 2001...you guys would never know it.

 

[ModMech]

I love reading discussions like this, brings out MANY different perspectives for people to consider, the flaming I can live without.

The OP asked for information and guidance, well he's got a LOT of both and if like me is overwhelmed with information and opinion.

Many have made good an informative posts about the +/- of both systems and honestly from where I stand (sit) the deciding factor is intended use.

I for one do not subscribe that any tool is "safe", EVER and the only time one is "safer" than another is when one has a defect in design making it unsafe and the other tool does not. Safety is the RESPONSIBILITY of the operator in my world, PERIOD. I know people who drive 20,000 miles a year and have never had an accident in their life who are in the 50s and older. I also know younger people who drive a few thousand miles a year and get into an accident every year or more. Obviously that's not a design flaw of the tool, but a mental defect, I've got a few of those like most people.

My first tractor use was an old JD narrow front that I almost flipped going up hill plowing because I was inexperienced, not because of a defect in the tool.

HST is GREAT for a lot of things, as others have properly suggested most likely the best choice when you want full PTO power with variable ground speeds, it's the obvious choice in my book under those conditions. Also, mowing the turf, as in yard work they are better IMO than a gear model because you have fine control of ground speed and again want full PTO/mower power.

Gear tractors are superior for pulling and field work. They are NOT for users unfamiliar with a manual shift transmission and this is, IMO, the PRIMARY reason to go HST for most new owners. The prevalance of shift transmissions in cars and trucks has sropped from 60% to under 5% since the early 60's. People simply don't have good familiarity with manual shift transmissions. That's not wrong, just a BIG change.

My opinion and remember what you paid for it.